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Round Semi-chisel in Hedge and when stumping (although I will have some carbide loops soon for the nasty crap) and round chisel for everything else, all hand filed. I will have a grinder before too long. Eventually I'd like to have a square grinder and some square loops because they cut a lot more smoothly and I like having as much control as I can...
 

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Ignore the Ape, if you are going square, go real square, goofy is goofy, I see no point to it. It is like square on the top, and round on the side, it is like being half pregnant, there is just no such thing.
 

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Ignore the Ape, if you are going square, go real square, goofy is goofy, I see no point to it. It is like square on the top, and round on the side, it is like being half pregnant, there is just no such thing.

Have you tried the goofy filed chain?

It's easier to file in the woods, and cuts better than round.
 

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No, but I don't have trouble with square, and never heard anyone say it will run with square.

The Madsens website says that the most important parts of square are the corner & side plate. With the Goofy, they are both like round file.

I respect the heck out of you Randy, but I think if you got square down right, it is all you would use.

I think I have ever heard you talk of the nice gains obtained when Jon does square on the grinder.
 

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When you use goofy, do you use the same angle as square, or as round, or something else?

I imagine if you use the same angle as square, it would cut very fast, but not sure if it would hold up as long? Seems that the curved side plate would make the tip more vulnerable.

Interesting question.
 

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When you use goofy, do you use the same angle as square, or as round, or something else?

I imagine if you use the same angle as square, it would cut very fast, but not sure if it would hold up as long? Seems that the curved side plate would make the tip more vulnerable.

Interesting question.

I'll see about pics tomorrow Mike. If you get back under the top plate too far, and make a hook that looks like round filed chain, you've done it all wrong. You file on the same angle as you do with a double bevel file, but the intersecting angle isn't as critical.
 

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Ignore the Ape, if you are going square, go real square, goofy is goofy, I see no point to it. It is like square on the top, and round on the side, it is like being half pregnant, there is just no such thing.
I like true square, but a goofy file gives you the same flat top plate, and true square working point, just a round side plate, which is still a very good cutting design.. There's more to that top plate than most know.
 

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I'd use one for my work chains if I had one..
But who am I kidding..??
I use whatever is hanging handy.
I square filed everything tonight. Got 4 tanks out of the Deere before I needed to re-file.
28" full comp is a drag if the teeth are too jacked up.
 

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Goofy is flat on the wide sides and a rounded side sort of like this (=) where the double bevel is <=>

Goofy filed chain can be right with square depending on the angles. I don't have any of the files any more. I give them to someone.
 

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Ignore the Ape, if you are going square, go real square, goofy is goofy, I see no point to it. It is like square on the top, and round on the side, it is like being half pregnant,....

If you been half-pregnant you got one on me there Mike. Not saying it can't happen in the meantime use more meat in your chili and less beans. I'd switch back to normal breakfast food, too?

With the Goofy, they are both like round file.

You've got it all wrong friend except the knee jerk reaction to old ape. This is OPE forum not APE forum so I'll go easy when administering sleepless nights around here.

When you use goofy,....

Now you're coming down to Earth. Don't forget to breathe. If you just single out one claim at a time when you challenge an opposing viewpoint it might keep the pantitas from balling up in the crack area. Don't paint our goofy files with one broad stroke Great Mustango. If I didn't like me or believe me, first I'd make sure I knew what I was doing, then I'd say something like this:

MikefromMaine: Oh yeah Brush Ape? If you had one file you'd get a goofy eh? Why?

The Boss: Well take your round file shave off the glint and then cut your depth gauges? Can't? I'll be damned. Ok, while I go buy beer, take your $12 triangular file, restore some severely rocked chain, get that pesky bump out the gullets and drop the depth gauges. When ya goin' Mike? I said one file boy. Okay, grab your six-sided file. Got your inscisors keen, got your d-g's dropped sweet. Little tight on the gullets, Mikey? Shoot fire and clean earwax with me matches.

Let old BA do it., Princess. Haha. Just goofing around. If the chain is rocked. Well it's most likely a few teeth on one side mainly. If you did it enough times you would know when to get the figger off the trigger. Hold that goofy horizontal but vertically perpendicular to the rails and parallel to your desired outside top plate angle. Though 25-30° might be a little onry for goofy chain, it will flow so use the laser-engraved witness mark if all else fails. File the damage off blunt. It's an efficient way to get the cutters back in the chrome. BTW you should already have it in a clamp. While you are doing this the gullets are getting cleaned or at least you can do it with the file in the similar orientation depending how you want your side plates. Now outside in, line up the corner of the goofy with the workingst corner. It looks like a ATOP is 45/45° to me but I don't have one is it? Well you might not do it square or goofy filing. Methinks it may go 45/40-50° think of your flat side as rotating on an axis for the second angle is the way I percieve it. Could be 45/45/40-50° is a better way to describe it. I sat between Milana and Becky and behind Missy but in front of Christa in Math. And the teacher was a busty blonde about 24 that drove a convertible Fox Body and bought us beer know what I mean???





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Then you can put this: YMMV I thought it was Yiddish but I think it means, be flexible. Experiment when dealing with dynamics. Whilst Square, Round and their bastard cousin Goofy all have their place, Old Goofy picks the best ban-jo.
 
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