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How do you think this 120v battery saw would compare to the Makita corded electric saw? I'd kinda like to see a test using the same chain swaped from one saw to the other.
Hard to say. You would have to define your comparison factors: speed, torque, convenience, balance/handling, etc. Lots of factors.
That Makita has been replaced by a 15A model, and the battery saws keep get better, so you would also want to compare the most current (no pun intended) models.

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Hard to say. You would have to define your comparison factors: speed, torque, convenience, balance/handling, etc. Lots of factors.
That Makita has been replaced by a 15A model, and the battery saws keep get better, so you would also want to compare the most current (no pun intended) models.

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I would say speed and even more importantly, torque. Balance & conscience I would say goes to the battery saw. I have the 13A electric and the 36v battery saw in Makita's. While I need to directly compare them, they seem pretty equivalent. For convince, the battery saw always gets the nod. Still, for a battery saw to beat an mse220, as regards to torque, will be quite a feat. Amps don't tell the whole story here as the new 180 was rated the same amperage, but had far less torque. That mse220 definitely had 70cc torque when I compared it with my 044 20" bars, same Stihl rsc round chisel chain buried in white oak.
 

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Interesting they went with 120v since higher voltage, at least that high, can in many ways have short comings in terms of package size and weight. More battery cells are needed, which means more cell dividing material which equals less space efficiency, larger insulators/gaps needed for high voltage, not to mention that safety risks of systems higher than 70v. Capacitors have a major trade off in capacity per size with an increase in voltage handling, similar with the transistors that control throttle. 30v and 60v setups tend to get you the most power for the size and weight as far as I know from my dealings with electric motors and controllers, but there is another not so sweet sweet spot around the voltage produced by 35 lithium cells: a bit more than 120v.

As for comparisons, you can't judge power by voltage alone, which is likely more of a selling point. A 3.7v saw could easily out cut that 120v saw in the same size package, but who wants an odd 3.7v power tool?

Corded models could be easily out performed by battery models depending on the power of the battery model, because the corded ones will be limited to a safe max amperage as to not burn extension cords, outlets, and trip breakers. I'd figure you couldn't hope for much more than 1.5hp to the chain on a corded model considering the efficiency losses in the motor. I could only guesstimate the 120v saw could peak 2.5hp more or less, potentially, but not likely much more. At least low end torque is on your side with electrics.
 
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Interesting they went with 120v since higher voltage, at least that high, can in many ways have short comings in terms of package size and weight.
I can't speak to the design trade offs. DeWalt also has some 120V battery tools (part of their FLEXVOLT line) and Oregon has some 120V OPE. I am just an end user. I would love to have their designers or engineers jump in and explain the technical stuff.

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Me too, it's just hard to see it any other way than advertising to people who don't know better. More voltage is a quick and easy way to get more power, but with a battery operated system you end up with many trade offs which limit power.
 

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Was/is on sale, 160$ complete with B&C, 2.0Ah battery, 1.0Ah charger and free shipping within the US.
As far as I can tell all sold out.

I wish . . . :(
 
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