Not So Pro 3

[Jscb1b]

So, in an effort to derail any more butt cavity drilling and filling discussion drama, I want to get an inverter generator for power outages

I think 4-5,000 watts would suffice

Any suggestions on brand and model?

You forgot welding.

 

[Stump Shot]

Butt welded.....not lapped?

https://www.eastwood.com/ew-panel-flanger.html
Here's a manual version of a hem making tool, we used to have a pneumatic one that also would punch a hole in the edge of the repair panel for spot welding. I cannot remember the maker of that tool. At any rate you would put your panel up to the car and trace it out, then either with a plasma, or nibbler cut out the bad section with the added amount for the hem. Punch the holes in the panel and fit and spot weld in place in holes, grind off spot welds for a flush job ready that didn't need a lot of blending to look right, saving much work.

 

[dall]

https://www.eastwood.com/ew-panel-flanger.html
Here's a manual version of a hem making tool, we used to have a pneumatic one that also would punch a hole in the edge of the repair panel for spot welding. I cannot remember the maker of that tool. At any rate you would put your panel up to the car and trace it out, then either with a plasma, or nibbler cut out the bad section with the added amount for the hem. Punch the holes in the panel and fit and spot weld in place in holes, grind off spot welds for a flush job ready that didn't need a lot of blending to look right, saving much work.

i have one of those too but if you bend the inner piece too high then you need filler
and they dont do well on curved pieces and corners

 

[Lnk]

Not how I understood it.

Nice videos, but they left some stuff out. The courts ruled against Henry and made him maximize profits for the share holders. He was successful getting 100% share back. Funny they talk about Dodge and dependability. My have times changed.

 

[dall]

https://www.eastwood.com/ew-panel-flanger.html
Here's a manual version of a hem making tool, we used to have a pneumatic one that also would punch a hole in the edge of the repair panel for spot welding. I cannot remember the maker of that tool. At any rate you would put your panel up to the car and trace it out, then either with a plasma, or nibbler cut out the bad section with the added amount for the hem. Punch the holes in the panel and fit and spot weld in place in holes, grind off spot welds for a flush job ready that didn't need a lot of blending to look right, saving much work.

Pneumatic Punch and Flange Tool

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not sure what one mine is i have had it more than 20 years

 

[Mastermind]

You forgot welding.

And welding is everything.

 

[Stump Shot]

i have one of those too but if you bend the inner piece too high then you need filler
and they dont do well on curved pieces and corners

True, we used them for large sections of quarter panels with square corners.

 

[Mastermind]

i have one of those too but if you bend the inner piece too high then you need filler
and they dont do well on curved pieces and corners

I'm in the butt fit camp too.

 

[Stump Shot]

And welding is everything.

.024" ga welding wire is awesome on sheet metal welding.

 

[Mastermind]

.024" ga welding wire is awesome on sheet metal welding.

They make a more malleable wire just for body work..

 

[Stump Shot]

I'm in the butt fit camp too.

That doesn't sound very goodly.

 

[Stump Shot]

They make a more malleable wire just for body work..

I did some stick welding with 1/16" E6013 on an older truck with heavier gauge sheet metal.

 

[dall]

.024" ga welding wire is awesome on sheet metal welding.

I run 0.030 wire in mine

 

[maulhead]

Nice videos, but they left some stuff out. The courts ruled against Henry and made him maximize profits for the share holders. He was successful getting 100% share back. Funny they talk about Dodge and dependability. My have times changed.

I'm not going to pour fuel on the brand fire, anything with tits or tires will give you problems at some point.

I've owned and driven Dodges since I got my drivers license. I've had to fix things sure, but I've never lost a engine or trans, and I racked up close to 2 million miles on the different dodge vehicles I've had.

Back in 1994 my wife & drug a 1964 dodge polara out of a barn where it had sat since 1971, we changed the oil, in the engine, trans, rear end, tuned it up, fresh tank of gas, went through the brakes, new battery, picked up a nice used set of tires, fired the car up and took off on a 2,000 mile road trip, that car never skipped a beat. We had so much fun on that trip, the next summer we found a 1967 plymouth that had sat in a barn (non running) since 1975, did the same thing with that car, got it running then took off on a 2,000 mile road trip.

I'm sure a ford chevy toyota or anything make of car could of done the same thing. I just prefer Dodge.

I came real close to buying a brand new F350 in 1995, but the dealer would not deal on the price, and I had a pile of cash, so I went to the Dodge dealer, they were happy to wheel & deal, and accept my money. Funny thing is both the Ford dealer and the dodge dealer were owned by brothers at the time, the dodge dealer out sold his bother 2 to 1, because he would work with people.

 

[JoeDirt]

I run .024" solid wire with gas for body work and it works great. If you are gonna lap weld, use weld through primer in between the overlap on both panels or it will start rusting very shortly later.

Another thing about welding sheet metal, never use Ospho to treat the metal before welding. The weld will not stick and it is very hard to completely remove the Ospho to get clean metal. I learned that on the grandpa Buick when I patched up the rockers. Use the Ospho after welding if you are going to treat it.

Another tip... panel bonding adhesive. If welding isn't an option, I've glued panels in with Lord Fusor panel bonding adhesive. Expensive stuff but works great. It will rip the sheet metal before the glue lets up.

 

[Stump Shot]

I run 0.030 wire in mine

If you ever ran .024" on sheet metal you would take the time to swap it out and change the guide roll. If nothing else it's worth it just for the less warpage and no burn through's.

 

[full chizel]

Go with some wire 13's.
And hydraulics.

And curb feelers

 

[dall]

If you ever ran .024" on sheet metal you would take the time to swap it out and change the guide roll. If nothing else it's worth it just for the less warpage and no burn through's.

i spot weld moving each time i run the same size wire for everything and its what im use to i do more heavier stuff then i do sheet metal
i use to run the smaller wire and changed the rolls but its less rolls and consumables to keep track of

 

[Lnk]

I'm not going to pour fuel on the brand fire, anything with tits or tires will give you problems at some point.

I've owned and driven Dodges since I got my drivers license. I've had to fix things sure, but I've never lost a engine or trans, and I racked up close to 2 million miles on the different dodge vehicles I've had.

Back in 1994 my wife & drug a 1964 dodge polara out of a barn where it had sat since 1971, we changed the oil, in the engine, trans, rear end, tuned it up, fresh tank of gas, went through the brakes, new battery, picked up a nice used set of tires, fired the car up and took off on a 2,000 mile road trip, that car never skipped a beat. We had so much fun on that trip, the next summer we found a 1967 plymouth that had sat in a barn (non running) since 1975, did the same thing with that car, got it running then took off on a 2,000 mile road trip.

I'm sure a ford chevy toyota or anything make of car could of done the same thing. I just prefer Dodge.

I came real close to buying a brand new F350 in 1995, but the dealer would not deal on the price, and I had a pile of cash, so I went to the Dodge dealer, they were happy to wheel & deal, and accept my money. Funny thing is both the Ford dealer and the dodge dealer were owned by brothers at the time, the dodge dealer out sold his bother 2 to 1, because he would work with people.

Had a polara 9 passenger wagon from the 70's at one time. They have all had their ups and downs. I won't buy a Chrysler product today due to the two bailouts. I am sure they make a good product,as all have at one time. Just can't support a company that relies on taxpayers to bail out lousy corporate decisions. I am not a brand loyalist. They all make both good and crap. Iacoaca was in charge and restructure Chrysler back in the '80's. They should have learned from that one. Clearly they didn't. GM has had much success, as had Ford, at any time the big three took turns at the top. Companies had to sink and swim on their own. The too big to fail thing rankled some of us old timers. Companies failed in the past, and someone would buy up the assets, and rebrand a product. That all changed!

I think it is funny when someone spouts off about brand x being superior to brands y and z. @dall .

 

[cus_deluxe]

He had timber camps in the UP also.

yep they owned a bunch near the my familys place up there, had a mill that made the wood slats for model t beds there. also built a hotel there, used to be called the ford hotel, now its the thunder bay inn.

Henry Ford also kinda had a hand in kick starting what we today know as, Milwaukee tools. In 1918 Ford had A. H. Petersen Company design him a new lighter faster drill. Previously ford had used a big heavy bulky drill from black & decker.

History channel had a show on this subject a few years ago. Rumor was black & decker started the fire that destroyed the Petersen factory, where fords new favorite drills were being made.

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fun fact: henry ford was also a hardcore racist, basically hated anybody that wasnt a european white guy. he did some amazing things but he was an absolutey awful human.