Gun range 2022,2023,2024,2025

[Freak007]

My next purchase M&P 22x 20rnd .22lr
I'm a huge fan of the 2.0 trigger's all of mine are excellent
If it's even near the reliability and accuracy of my
Taurus tx .22s I'll be happy
I really like ege m&p .22 mag but too pricey to shoot.

I like the M&P. Accurate, reliable, and proven. In the bigger bores, the low bore height makes rapid follow up shots easier.

The Sig/GSG/American Tactical 1911-22 is fun also if you are a "retro" kind of guy.

 

[FergusonTO35]

As I understand it, the biggest problem with the Walker trigger in the 700 is that it was not intended to have a particularly light pull and/or be adjusted by the owner, but Remington still made it adjustable. So, of course people adjusted it down to super light and crisp with the sear holding on to the cocking piece only by its finger tips. Add to that honest wear, dirt, and jostling around from typical hunting use and it's not surprising you would have some AD's. I have a 2018 700 in 6.5 Creedmoor which has what I understand to be a non-adjustable Walker trigger. The pull is kind of heavy but very crisp and consistent, and this rifle will put them all into one hole at 150 yards so I'm not going to mess with it!

 

[FergusonTO35]

My next purchase View attachment 465281
M&P 22x 20rnd .22lr
I'm a huge fan of the 2.0 trigger's all of mine are excellent
If it's even near the reliability and accuracy of my
Taurus tx .22s I'll be happy
I really like ege m&p .22 mag but too pricey to shoot.

That looks like a sweet piece. Do you know if it uses the same mechanical design of the centerfire M&P? The rimfire and 5.7 M&P pistols at my shop are actually hammer fired.

 

[Czed]

That looks like a sweet piece. Do you know if it uses the same mechanical design of the centerfire M&P? The rimfire and 5.7 M&P pistols at my shop are actually hammer fired.

Hammer fired
Really liked my .22 compact but it was down on capacity these day's

 

[Czed]

My next purchase View attachment 465281
M&P 22x 20rnd .22lr
I'm a huge fan of the 2.0 trigger's all of mine are excellent
If it's even near the reliability and accuracy of my
Taurus tx .22s I'll be happy
I really like ege m&p .22 mag but too pricey to shoot.

An NRA Shooting Sports Journal | New: Smith & Wesson M&P 22X

Smith & Wesson’s new M&P 22X is a full-size, optic-ready .22LR handgun with 20-round mags, threaded barrel and fiber-optic sights.

www.ssusa.org

Should be around 400.00 like the p322 eventually prices will be high for awhile

 

[Czed]

As I understand it, the biggest problem with the Walker trigger in the 700 is that it was not intended to have a particularly light pull and/or be adjusted by the owner, but Remington still made it adjustable. So, of course people adjusted it down to super light and crisp with the sear holding on to the cocking piece only by its finger tips. Add to that honest wear, dirt, and jostling around from typical hunting use and it's not surprising you would have some AD's. I have a 2018 700 in 6.5 Creedmoor which has what I understand to be a non-adjustable Walker trigger. The pull is kind of heavy but very crisp and consistent, and this rifle will put them all into one hole at 150 yards so I'm not going to mess with it!

My gunsmith friends said the problem they saw the most was whatever lubricant would
Attract grime to the sears and contact points
Before the recall they'd scrub down the action or swap them for after market trigger's
I guess it was a very common issue back then
I never was into rifles much and never had one of those.

 

[Czed]

 

[FergusonTO35]

Good video. I like how he actually measures things, even if in a casual and imprecise way.

 

[Czed]

Good video. I like how he actually measures things, even if in a casual and imprecise way.

What struck me most was the sloppy slide to frame none of the dozens of pistols I've had were ever that loose toleranced.
I know he used that screw in the trigger but I was surprised at the ease it fired.
I'd be worried about over time the tolerances getting looser and picking up dirt and debris and more issues happening.
I really don't think they have a fix for it or they would've offered a recall by now

I like how Ian McCollum recommends the arex delta it's become my favorite polymer pistol and I have a variety of different brands.

 

[Czed]

 

[Czed]

 

[Czed]

Glad I bought a couple when they were 70.00

https://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-viper-red-dot-6-moa-sight.html

 

[MS261CM]

The striker hook is referenced to the slide in most if not all modern striker fired pistols. The sear is referenced to the frame in said pistols. There needs to be *some* amount of play between the slide and frame or the slide would not reciprocate.

Given all of that *any* striker based pistol will release the sear if you preset the system right up against the release threshold and then wiggle the slide with respect to the frame. My M&P will do this as will my 'ol 1915 P-08. I trust the M&P just fine.

My current thinking (could change) is that Sig put a target trigger on a duty pistol and accidents happen as duty hours accumulate. Also IMO the sear/striker hook interface looks to me to be more capable of holding debris than M&P, Glock etc.

IMO these Youtube tests don't demonstrate anything useful. Well - don't carry your pistol with a screw jammed in front of the trigger. I know I won't. I also won't holster a P-08 with one in the pipe or... own a P320.

 

[Czed]

The striker hook is referenced to the slide in most if not all modern striker fired pistols. The sear is referenced to the frame in said pistols. There needs to be *some* amount of play between the slide and frame or the slide would not reciprocate.

Given all of that *any* striker based pistol will release the sear if you preset the system right up against the release threshold and then wiggle the slide with respect to the frame. My M&P will do this as will my 'ol 1915 P-08. I trust the M&P just fine.

My current thinking (could change) is that Sig put a target trigger on a duty pistol and accidents happen as duty hours accumulate. Also IMO the sear/striker hook interface looks to me to be more capable of holding debris then M&P, Glock etc.

IMO these Youtube tests don't demonstrate anything useful. Well - don't carry your pistol with a screw jammed in front of the trigger. I know I won't. I also won't holster a P-08 with one in the pipe or... own a P320.

Check this video out he makes some good observations

I'm of the mindset badly produced fire control parts from all over the world and a poor overall design led to these issues
Or an amazing amount of trained individuals shoot themselves on purpose or accidentally.
In glocks early days I remember some shootings while cleaning the guns but that was decades ago and everyone is familiar with striker fired pistols now.
When the 250 came out my friend's shop virtually couldn't sell any of them then when the redesign 320 came out I was really unimpressed with how poorly fit and finished and just plain uncomfortable the pistol was
I had 0 interest in it
Especially after shooting one.
Over the decades I have had many different manufacturers
Of semi auto pistols
And never had an issue and honestly even the cheapest taurus felt better built to me personally.
It says a lot that training academy's,ranges,
idpa and many police and military are dropping the 320s

 

[FergusonTO35]

I'll stick with my M11-A1. It's metal frame and DA/SA hammer fired, what Sig does better than anybody.

 

[FergusonTO35]

Somebody here please jump on this awesome deal because I can't even swing a layaway right now. Savage model 10, walnut stock, uses cheaper and easier to find Axis mags, Accutrigger, .308, Nikon scope, $300.00 at my local shop. A few little dings on the stock is all I could see wrong with it. The bore is nice and shiny. The shop is Mike's Guns of Frankfort KY and he does layaway and will ship to your FFL.
502-223-8120.

 

[MS261CM]

Check this video out he makes some good observations

I'm of the mindset badly produced fire control parts from all over the world and a poor overall design led to these issues
Or an amazing amount of trained individuals shoot themselves on purpose or accidentally.
In glocks early days I remember some shootings while cleaning the guns but that was decades ago and everyone is familiar with striker fired pistols now.
When the 250 came out my friend's shop virtually couldn't sell any of them then when the redesign 320 came out I was really unimpressed with how poorly fit and finished and just plain uncomfortable the pistol was
I had 0 interest in it
Especially after shooting one.
Over the decades I have had many different manufacturers
Of semi auto pistols
And never had an issue and honestly even the cheapest taurus felt better built to me personally.
It says a lot that training academy's,ranges,
idpa and many police and military are dropping the 320s

Thank you for that link Czed. I am not in the for a P320, nor do I recommend them. My interest in this manner must be the morbid curiosity of a retired engineer. That and the fact that I have mopped up behind a badly behaving company or two.

Sig did acknowledge an issue with heavy triggers without trigger safeties contributing to drop fire in early guns. Sig being Sig handled this with a voluntary recall or upgrade. The primary change was to take mass out of the trigger. An ancillary change was to add a finger to the sear. This finger rests on the rear of the trigger bar. The P320 trigger bar sits above the trigger pivot so it moves forward when the trigger is pulled unlike Glock or M&P. As such the added finger has no function in normal firing. I have seen no explanation for its function. I can only imagine that someone made an attempt to prevent the sear from being able to drop unless the trigger is pulled. The new issue however is that this finger is able to push the trigger bar forward, effectively pulling the trigger and clearing the striker block if some force manages to push the sear down. Glock and M&P do not operate like this. Schmutz in the striker hook/sear interface holding the sear down? That could possibly hold the sear down which on "improved" guns could also disengage the sear block.

This is all conjecture of course. Much like Sgt Schultz, "I know nuzzing...".

My latest hobby activity was selling my ILS lock Smith 686 and picking up a 6" Anaconda in 44mag. I also sold my Rossi 92 in 357. I just wanted to make more noise. The heavy Anaconda shoots hot 44mag reasonably abuse free. I picked up dies and brass. A Rossi 92 in 44mag could be next. These things happen...

I'm too old for Casull/Linebaugh and such.

 

[FergusonTO35]

The biggest downer to the Rossi 92 is the slow twist, which usually precludes heavy-ish bullets. I have one in .357 and it does great with 125 grain lead slugs at about medium velocity. If I was going to use the .357 for deer size game I would get a Marlin or Henry, both of which have a faster twist. Back when I bought my 92 it was about $300.00 cheaper than a Henry and way cheaper than even a clapped out Marlin. Nowadays there isn't much price difference at all between the Rossi and basic blued/wood stock Henry so the latter is a much better choice overall. Henry's customer service is light years ahead of Rossi too.

 

[Czed]

Looked at this used gp100 today

Probably get it for 450.00

 

[Czed]

The striker hook is referenced to the slide in most if not all modern striker fired pistols. The sear is referenced to the frame in said pistols. There needs to be *some* amount of play between the slide and frame or the slide would not reciprocate.

Given all of that *any* striker based pistol will release the sear if you preset the system right up against the release threshold and then wiggle the slide with respect to the frame. My M&P will do this as will my 'ol 1915 P-08. I trust the M&P just fine.

My current thinking (could change) is that Sig put a target trigger on a duty pistol and accidents happen as duty hours accumulate. Also IMO the sear/striker hook interface looks to me to be more capable of holding debris than M&P, Glock etc.

IMO these Youtube tests don't demonstrate anything useful. Well - don't carry your pistol with a screw jammed in front of the trigger. I know I won't. I also won't holster a P-08 with one in the pipe or... own a P320.

I was curious so I looked at a 320 my local gun store has
I'll have to say it's much better fit and finished than the early one's I saw
Honestly the trigger felt under 3lbs
Very crisp It was a 1100.00 custom 10mm version maybe that's why it was so light I don't know they didn't have any others
Far too light for my taste.
The 2.0 m&ps are my favorite trigger's
Arex delta a close second after they break in I really like them.
The cz p10c is a good one it has to break in a bit also.