Echo Spec Thread

[Mastermind]

Here we will ask Niko to post Echos lackluster specs for the world to see.

@SawTroll the floor is yours sir. Tell us how terrible Echo specs are. The world needs to know.

 

[Jughead]

sorry couldn't help it.lol

 

[paragonbuilder]

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sorry couldn't help it.lol

Awesome!!!


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[Mastermind]

Again.......bashing Niko is not very respectful. So, please don't.

That is funny though Jughead. lol

 

[JeffGu]

I don't want to screw up, so I'm looking that up in the rule book...



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[paragonbuilder]

I appreciate Niko's insight on husky stuff. He is a bit biased I think, but I prefer husky myself. Though nowadays I'm happy running anything hopped up! It makes me smile. I know the 490 Al ported put a smile on my face when I ran it. Lately I don't care what the badge says, or the color, I just enjoy the differences. I still have my favorites though...


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[wigglesworth]

I ran a 620pw for the first time this weekend. I've said I wanted one of those things for a while now, and now I REALLY want one of those things!!

Fit and finish isn't quite up to par with the other big two, but wasn't really lacking anything. Wish I'd had weighed em compared to the other 60cc saws we ran....

 

[SawTroll]

Here we will ask Niko to post Echos lackluster specs for the world to see.

@SawTroll the floor is yours sir. Tell us how terrible Echo specs are. The world needs to know.

I have posted links to them several times, including in one of the posts that were "clipped" to make the start of this one. That is the International specs though, not the US ones (for obvious reasons) so I don't know if some models are further restricted/down-rated for the US market for EPA reasons. I have seen rumors that at least some models (like the 590) are, but doesn't know it as a fact.

http://www.echotools.com/products/category/

Assuming it was you that "moderated" the thread the start of this one originally was "clipped" from, this question makes me wonder if you really knew what you did at all, or if you just did what someone suggested you should do, based on selected information.

Most people that search information on saws and hit a forum like this will leave their saws stock, so the basic information need to be included in the threads - claims that it doesn't matter what the specs are, and that it runs soooo good when modified is exactly zero help in the selection prosess.

The reason that Echo doesn't post power specs in North America is of course that the specs are embarrassing, and somehow they get away with not posting them on that market. Some posters on here are systematically doing their best to help them getting away with it.

I don't know for sure if there is a system in the "madness", but as similar things are going on at several saw forums (not only US ones), I suspect there may be - it really looks like off-springs of an organized marketing campaign. If so, not everyone that participates will know of course - some are just drawn into it because they like the (modded) saw placed in their hands - and some just because they don't like me saying "crap".

 

[Genius]

I have ran Joes 420, 590 and 670. I enjoyed them all and if I had the coin I'd like to own one or three of em some day.


I could give a rats ass if a saw is .00003 pounds heavier than a husky and .02 hp lower.

I'm just a stupid hog farmer, but the last I knew, a tree laying on the ground could care less if the saw that I'm using cuts a log a fraction of a second longer than a husky.

 

[rburg]

The 590 hp rating is about the same that Husky rated the 359/2159. The 620 hp rating is about what the 361 was rated .

 

[Mastermind]

I have posted links to them several times, including in one of the posts that were "clipped" to make the start of this one. That is the International specs though, not the US ones (for obvious reasons) so I don't know if some models are further restricted/down-rated for the US market for EPA reasons. I have seen rumors that at least some models (like the 590) are, but doesn't know it as a fact.

http://www.echotools.com/products/category/

Assuming it was you that "moderated" the thread the start of this one originally was "clipped" from, this question makes me wonder if you really knew what you did at all, or if you just did what someone suggested you should do, based on selected information.

Most people that search information on saws and hit a forum like this will leave their saws stock, so the basic information need to be included in the threads - claims that it doesn't matter what the specs are, and that it runs soooo good when modified is exactly zero help in the selection prosess.

The reason that Echo doesn't post power specs in North America is of course that the specs are embarrassing, and somehow they get away with not posting them on that market. Some posters on here are systematically doing their best to help them getting away with it.

I don't know for sure if there is a system in the "madness", but as similar things are going on at several saw forums (not only US ones), I suspect there may be - it really looks like off-springs of an organized marketing campaign. If so, not everyone that participates will know of course - some are just drawn into it because they like the (modded) saw placed in their hands - and some just because they don't like me saying "crap".

Actually it was @Jon1212 that moderated that thread Niko. Your posts were reported by more than one member because you were rude. I felt that Jon did a great job in repairing Joe's build thread, and moving the derogatory comments out into a seperate thread.

Yes this is a forum that relates mostly to chainsaws, but many of our members are not really interested in stock saws at all. The 590 - 600 - 620 series seems to take to mods very well, and so they will be discussed in that regard here a lot.

Now. We have one really important rule here at opeforum. We ask that each member treat every other member with respect. When you waded into Joe's thread and started bashing his saw, well Niko, that was very disrespectful.

Post any and all specs, talk trash about any model saw. But please start your own thread.

 

[paragonbuilder]

I have posted links to them several times, including in one of the posts that were "clipped" to make the start of this one. That is the International specs though, not the US ones (for obvious reasons) so I don't know if some models are further restricted/down-rated for the US market for EPA reasons. I have seen rumors that at least some models (like the 590) are, but doesn't know it as a fact.

http://www.echotools.com/products/category/

Assuming it was you that "moderated" the thread the start of this one originally was "clipped" from, this question makes me wonder if you really knew what you did at all, or if you just did what someone suggested you should do, based on selected information.

Most people that search information on saws and hit a forum like this will leave their saws stock, so the basic information need to be included in the threads - claims that it doesn't matter what the specs are, and that it runs soooo good when modified is exactly zero help in the selection prosess.

The reason that Echo doesn't post power specs in North America is of course that the specs are embarrassing, and somehow they get away with not posting them on that market. Some posters on here are systematically doing their best to help them getting away with it.

I don't know for sure if there is a system in the "madness", but as similar things are going on at several saw forums (not only US ones), I suspect there may be - it really looks like off-springs of an organized marketing campaign. If so, not everyone that participates will know of course - some are just drawn into it because they like the (modded) saw placed in their hands - and some just because they don't like me saying "crap".

Niko, I for one appreciate the facts you bring to us. When we ask you are quick to help and I am grateful for that. This thread you speak of though, had a title that clearly shows it wasn't about stock saws.

It's all about improving on a mediocre platform. In fact in some of Joes threads he clearly mentioned this. He is doing his best to make a lackluster saw, for a good price, be impressive. I honor him for this, and I enjoy learning from his experience. But I'm pretty sure anyone reading his thread will know he's not encouraging buying a stock echo and promoting that it's better than a "pro" saw.


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[SawTroll]

All I can say about Echo plastic is that it feels hard and brittle, with sharp corners even on so-called pro saws - and that the tank unit is known to break more often than you would expect from a pro saw where the handlebar attaches to it on the 620.

One of the weaknesses with all Japanese saws is the plastic quality (when compared to Swedish made Husky or German made Stihl), but I have no clue why it is that way - it just is.
A Husky saw made by Zenoah (in Japan) has noticeably lesser plastic quality than one made in Sweden, so the brand isn't the answer, it seems to be where it is made that is the clue. Judged by American car interiors, American plastics are much more likely to be like the Japanese ones than the European ones - but most likely worse than any of them.

 

[paragonbuilder]

Niko have you actually fondled an echo saw? I didn't notice when I ran the 490, but I wasn't looking for it either...



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[Deets066]

 

[Workshop]

I have a great deal of respect for Niko. He has a vast amount of knowledge to share. I appreciate that. I have several saws. Most are old, a few are new (ish).
The saws I take to the woods (I'm just a firewood hack) are a Dolmar 510, an Echo 670, and a Husqvarna 390xp.
The only reason I bought the Dolmar is because it was on a clearance table at the local hardware store. Stupid low price and I know some people that like Dolmar so I thought I would give it a try. Its stock and will probably remain that way. The Echo I traded some labor for. It was stock and ran very well. I like everything about the saw. I had it ported by a good friend on here and I like it even better now. Very strong runner. The 390 is the first saw I've bought that was brand new. Never had a brand new saw, ever. And I bought it already ported. Again by the same good friend. It is unbelievable. But they all have one common characteristic. They're all very good saws. I've ran a lot of brands to cut wood. And I like these 3 brands. For very different reasons. And each one serves a different purpose for those very reasons.
What this all boils down to is this. Do your research, including asking Niko, and buy what you want and can afford.

 

[Deets066]

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@Lee H
Has some perspective with the big echos

 

[Iron.and.bark]

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Beat you to it in the other thread

 

[Deets066]

Beat you to it in the other thread

Looks like a pretty sweet saw!

 

[Iron.and.bark]

Looks like a pretty sweet saw!

Sure does, I am currently lining up everything with australian customs to get a few into Australia around Xmas time hopefully.