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We ran a bunch of fast and fun saws on Sunday in a lot of different situations and comparisons.
We didn't run saws against each other to find what was the fastest saw or the fastest chain but after timing all the videos and reviewing well........all kinds of stuff I learned.
Startling realization #1 - A stock 064 with muff mod and HD2 and perhaps the wickedest fast chain I ever seen is faster than a badass fast ported 064 with brand new stock square ground chain, even pulling a shorter bar!! This doesn't mean a stock 64 is faster than a ported 64 with all else being equal but damn is the 064 ever a fine machine!!!
Startling realization #2 - cutting a knot can SIGNIFICANTLY take a crap on your cut times
Startling realization #3 - I really have no concept of what was fastest from the day until timing the videos, My gut feeling was that Shawns three cut times on the piper were the top dogs.
I need to check the 084, it may still have a limited coil.
Conclusions -
1. everything matters in making a saw fast and making a fast cut, chain, saw, bar, sprocket, wood, operator
2. cut videos are important and vastly more interesting than I knew
3. the 064 is the sexiest saw ever built
Data and cut times -
All cuts: 10” x 10” pine, 3/8” .050 chain, all saws muff modded (S) = shawn (D) = dave, piper 064 with pipe and regular carb unless noted. All times in 1/30th seconds from frame by frame video .
Stock 064 - HD2, dual port, 20” wide tip (13 pin) crazy fast SF chain (S)
2.2 1.54
Ported 064 #1 - 7 pin, velocity stack, MS660 p/c, 16” stock Oregon square chain (S)
2.4 2
Ported 064 #2 – 8 pin, velocity stack, MS660 cylinder, 288 piston, 16” stock Oregon square chain (S)
1.97 2.03
Ported 346XP - 16” SF chain (S)
2.03 1.93
Piper 064 THREE CUT - 9 pin, 20” roller, EC chain (S)
1.6 1.5 1.4 crossovers of .23 and .2
Ported 390XP - 20” SF aggressive chain (S)
1.5 (skimming knots) 1.73 (7 knots)
Ported 390XP - 20” SF aggressive chain (S)
1.4 1.27
Piper 064 - open muffler, 8 pin, 16” roller bar, Reilly chain (D)
1.97 1.67 1.47
Piper 064 - 9 pin, big carb, 20” roller, EC chain (D)
1.74 1.5 1.47
Piper 064 - 9 pin, 20” roller, EC chain (S)
1.3 1.36 1.3
Ported 084 – 10 pin, velocity stack, 70DL roller, SF chain (D – pushing like a girl)
1.53 1.4 1.4
Ported 084 – 10 pin, as above (D – pushing all manly-like)
1.34 1.26
Ported 084 – 11 pin, as above (D) light pressure, heavy pressure, medium pressure
1.44 1.23 1.53 (knots)
We didn't run saws against each other to find what was the fastest saw or the fastest chain but after timing all the videos and reviewing well........all kinds of stuff I learned.
Startling realization #1 - A stock 064 with muff mod and HD2 and perhaps the wickedest fast chain I ever seen is faster than a badass fast ported 064 with brand new stock square ground chain, even pulling a shorter bar!! This doesn't mean a stock 64 is faster than a ported 64 with all else being equal but damn is the 064 ever a fine machine!!!
Startling realization #2 - cutting a knot can SIGNIFICANTLY take a crap on your cut times
Startling realization #3 - I really have no concept of what was fastest from the day until timing the videos, My gut feeling was that Shawns three cut times on the piper were the top dogs.
I need to check the 084, it may still have a limited coil.
Conclusions -
1. everything matters in making a saw fast and making a fast cut, chain, saw, bar, sprocket, wood, operator
2. cut videos are important and vastly more interesting than I knew
3. the 064 is the sexiest saw ever built
Data and cut times -
All cuts: 10” x 10” pine, 3/8” .050 chain, all saws muff modded (S) = shawn (D) = dave, piper 064 with pipe and regular carb unless noted. All times in 1/30th seconds from frame by frame video .
Stock 064 - HD2, dual port, 20” wide tip (13 pin) crazy fast SF chain (S)
2.2 1.54
Ported 064 #1 - 7 pin, velocity stack, MS660 p/c, 16” stock Oregon square chain (S)
2.4 2
Ported 064 #2 – 8 pin, velocity stack, MS660 cylinder, 288 piston, 16” stock Oregon square chain (S)
1.97 2.03
Ported 346XP - 16” SF chain (S)
2.03 1.93
Piper 064 THREE CUT - 9 pin, 20” roller, EC chain (S)
1.6 1.5 1.4 crossovers of .23 and .2
Ported 390XP - 20” SF aggressive chain (S)
1.5 (skimming knots) 1.73 (7 knots)
Ported 390XP - 20” SF aggressive chain (S)
1.4 1.27
Piper 064 - open muffler, 8 pin, 16” roller bar, Reilly chain (D)
1.97 1.67 1.47
Piper 064 - 9 pin, big carb, 20” roller, EC chain (D)
1.74 1.5 1.47
Piper 064 - 9 pin, 20” roller, EC chain (S)
1.3 1.36 1.3
Ported 084 – 10 pin, velocity stack, 70DL roller, SF chain (D – pushing like a girl)
1.53 1.4 1.4
Ported 084 – 10 pin, as above (D – pushing all manly-like)
1.34 1.26
Ported 084 – 11 pin, as above (D) light pressure, heavy pressure, medium pressure
1.44 1.23 1.53 (knots)
