.338 in Encore handgun

[tp2177]

You're a lucky man. I have a bit of essential tremor that turns into flinch if I'm not careful. The hardest kicker I can manage is my Browning BLR .308 with smart loads. Really, my comfort zone is .30-30 or trapdoor level .45-70.

Shot a family members 300 win mag that he said kicked like a mule. I felt like it was less than my .270. But it was a semi auto. I shot it as much as he let me cause I loved it lol.


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[FergusonTO35]

Browning BAR?

 

[Locust Cutter]

I tried a step-brother-in-law's model 70 Winchester in .300WM awhile back. 30 rounds through it was FAR more comfortable than 5 rounds in my old cheap plastic stocked Savage .30-06...

 

[XP_Slinger]

I tried a step-brother-in-law's model 70 Winchester in .300WM awhile back. 3 rounds through it was FAR more comfortable than 5 rounds in my old cheap plastic stocked Savage .30-06...

Weight makes a huge difference for sure.

 

[Locust Cutter]

Matt's rife is a bit heavier tan my old savage, but only between 0.5-1# different. I think that stock/shooter fit and the pad make a lot more difference.

 

[Deets066]

300 win mag is the ultimate round if ya ask me.
You fellas can keep the semi autos too. I'll take a bolt every time

 

[XP_Slinger]

Bolt action FTW!

 

[Deets066]

Bolt action FTW!

I'm a model 70 fan

 

[Locust Cutter]

The .300 is great but I'm not losing much with a .30-06 other than a bit less than 1/4 more performance and about 1/2 more recoil. Now the .338WM intrigues me. The .338 Federal would be a VERY practical round, but I want to try the .338WM to see what it's like. If it's more of a push like a .416 Rigby than the sharp snap of a .270 in a mountain rifle, in about an 8# gun, then it would be a great bigger brother to my .243. I'e put more than enough Kansas whitetails away with my .243 to know what it can do with proper shot placement. I'd like a step up or two for Elk. It'll either be an '06 or the .338, unless a 28 or 33 Nosler comes my way.

 

[Deets066]

The .300 is great but I'm not losing much with a .30-06 other than a bit less than 1/4 more performance and about 1/2 more recoil. Now the .338WM intrigues me. The .338 Federal would be a VERY practical round, but I want to try the .338WM to see what it's like. If it's more of a push like a .416 Rigby than the sharp snap of a .270 in a mountain rifle, in about an 8# gun, then it would be a great bigger brother to my .243. I'e put more than enough Kansas whitetails away with my .243 to know what it can do with proper shot placement. I'd like a step up or two for Elk. It'll either be an '06 or the .338, unless a 28 or 33 Nosler comes my way.

Good points there, I've never shot a 338. But have shot a 338 ultra mag. Did you say somthin about recoil?

 

[Locust Cutter]

.338RUM would be neat to try. A local friends has a 7mm STW that I may end up with which would also do the job, but there's something about rifles that start with at least 3 an pistols that start with at least 4 that make life interesting.

 

[Deets066]

.338RUM would be neat to try. A local friends has a 7mm STW that I may end up with which would also do the job, but there's something about rifles that start with at least 3 an pistols that start with at least 4 that make life interesting.

When I used to rifle hunt white tail I used a 7mm mag. Pretty good round also

 

[XP_Slinger]

I'm a model 70 fan

Same here, I have 4 of them. Next one I want to get is a coyote lite.

 

[XP_Slinger]

.338RUM would be neat to try. A local friends has a 7mm STW that I may end up with which would also do the job, but there's something about rifles that start with at least 3 an pistols that start with at least 4 that make life interesting.

A friend of mine has a 7mm STW also and that is a nasty cartridge. My brother @RIDE-RED 350r has a M70 Supergrade in 338WM. It is more of a push recoil compared to my M70 Featherweight in 30-06. I’m the same way with rifles in 3’s but I do have a pre64 M70 chambered in 270Win, great shooting rifle.

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

I LOVE my m70 SG in 338WM! The rifle is quite heavy though, 26" bbl, grade IV Walnut brings it in to an advertised weight of 8.5 lbs empty and no glass. She's gotta be pushing 10 lbs loaded with the glass mounted. It really isn't any trouble to shoot being hefty as it is. I also have a Rem 700ADL synthetic in 270 Win that I have never weighed but you don't need a scale to know it's alot lighter than the SG. I can send alot more rounds with the 338 before discomfort and fatigue sets in than I can with the 270. Platform is everything, not forgetting design too.

A 338WM in an Encore pistol??? No thanks! And I am someone who owns a S&W 460V and likes to load em hot.

44 mags? Yeah, I have a couple... But this is the BIG hammer.

Getting 1700fps from this 5" bbl pushing 240gr XTP Mags with 47.5gr H110

 

[XP_Slinger]

I LOVE my m70 SG in 338WM! The rifle is quite heavy though, 26" bbl, grade IV Walnut brings it in to an advertised weight of 8.5 lbs empty and no glass. She's gotta be pushing 10 lbs loaded with the glass mounted. It really isn't any trouble to shoot being hefty as it is. I also have a Rem 700ADL synthetic in 270 Win that I have never weighed but you don't need a scale to know it's alot lighter than the SG. I can send alot more rounds with the 338 before discomfort and fatigue sets in than I can with the 270. Platform is everything, not forgetting design too.

A 338WM in an Encore pistol??? No thanks! And I am someone who owns a S&W 460V and likes to load em hot.

44 mags? Yeah, I have a couple... But this is the BIG hammer.

Getting 1700fps from this 5" bbl pushing 240gr XTP Mags with 47.5gr H110


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And here I was expecting a pic of the SG

 

[Locust Cutter]

That's a crapload of H110 compared to a .44 Mag or a .45 Colt (in the tier-2 loading scale). While being neither a Neophyte nor a Sadomasochist, I VERY much want to try the .460 and .500S&W's. The .460 just seems a lot more versatile give the two other round choices, though I believe that the .500 could be loaded up or down with aplomb. I do wonder how accurate a .460 would be with colt loads given the free space from the case mouth to the forcing cone though?

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

Stand by, I have a couple, but none that really do it credit... BTW, it's IMR4350 I use in the 338, and -06, and 270...all my bolt rifles seem to like it fine... Convenient

Last three are the pics from the GB ad from when I bought it.

 

[XP_Slinger]

That's a crapload of H110 compared to a .44 Mag or a .45 Colt (in the tier-2 loading scale). While being neither a Neophyte nor a Sadomasochist, I VERY much want to try the .460 and .500S&W's. The .460 just seems a lot more versatile give the two other round choices, though I believe that the .500 could be loaded up or down with aplomb. I do wonder how accurate a .460 would be with colt loads given the free space from the case mouth to the forcing cone though?

I had a 500 and regrettably sold it. Though you can’t shoot various calibers out of it, handloading makes it a very versatile cartridge. Shoots like a puppy dog with 275gr solids. I mainly loaded 350gr XTP’s and they gave you a good thump in palm. You can get up too 700gr hard cast for it, that’s heavier than a 12ga slug!!!!

 

[RIDE-RED 350r]

That's a crapload of H110 compared to a .44 Mag or a .45 Colt (in the tier-2 loading scale). While being neither a Neophyte nor a Sadomasochist, I VERY much want to try the .460 and .500S&W's. The .460 just seems a lot more versatile give the two other round choices, though I believe that the .500 could be loaded up or down with aplomb. I do wonder how accurate a .460 would be with colt loads given the free space from the case mouth to the forcing cone though?

Well, first of all, both the 460 and 500 really ARE a reloaders cartridge as factory ammo can be ridiculously expensive.

Having said that, I have come to believe that of the two, the 500 is truly the most versatile. Yes, the 460 is the "fastest" production revolver made...but that is only with the light for caliber 200gr Hornady FTX bullet. Now when things start to go up the weight, the 460 slows down. Loading tables suggest that the 460XVR (8-3/8" bbl version) can send the 240gr XTP mag to right around 2250fps. Now, the loading tables state that their testing of the 500 yielded pretty just under 2100fps with a 275gr Barnes XPB. As bullet weights increase, the 500 really outstretches the 460 pushing slightly heavier bullets tit for tat right on the heels of the 460. But the 500's larger case volume allows for some REALLY big boolits.... there are 700 grain bullets available. The 460 can;t go much heavier than 400 grains in bullet weight. If fast and flat is all you desire, the 460 edges out the 500 by a bit with light 200 grain bullets. You can still do just about as fast and flat with the 500 using light for caliber 275 grain (LOL!!) bullets. I love my 460, and kind of want to add the XVR (Extreme Velocity Revolver) which is the 460 as it was initially designed. There are about ten different model variations of the 460m now. But a 500 is also something I would like to add in the future as well. For the handloader, it really doesn't get much more versatile than the 500 if you really start looking into it

Now the 460 and shooting shorter 45 Colt and 454 Casull. (the 454 Casull being a longer cased higher pressure 45 Colt and the 460 Mag being that of the 454 Casull) I have never fired a single 45 Colt or 454 Casull from my 460. Closest thing I have done was buy and shoot a couple of boxes of Winchester branded "Reduced Recoil" 460 Mags, I needed brass to reload. These loads were on par with legit 454 Casull levels given the stated velocity and bullet weight. They were a peach to shoot from the X-frame Smith. Since then, my loads have all been legit full house 460 Mag level loads. I didn't buy a 460 to shoot 45 Colts. I have seen others say that the much shorter 45 Colts don't generally group as well as the full size 460s or even 454 Casull rounds. Makes sense, the bullet from a Colt has quite a ways to go before it gets into the forcing cone compared to the others.

There are some reduced load tables for both the 460 and 500 out there... One should never play around trying to reduce loads using powders such as AA#9, H110/Win 296 as these powders have a reputation for incomplete ignition unless running at or above 90% case capacity or thereabouts. In other words, only use these powders when max power levels are the goal.