Messing around experimenting...guess my method

[firewoodhuntingman]

Maybe you should buy me a brand new Sthil Chain now that would really help me right.

 

[davidwyby]

You posted in my thread asking about your chain...we answered politely...don't get in a tizzy.

 

[Wonkydonkey]

Maybe you should buy me a brand new Sthil Chain now that would really help me right.

Maybe @firewoodhuntingman you should try asking some peeps the same questions on Facebook.

Then you would know that were more respectful,

have a good day buddy

 

[firewoodhuntingman]

You posted in my thread asking about your chain...we answered politely...don't get in a tizzy.

Maybe i have been posting in the wrong forum.

 

[Benwa]

Looks like it really has opened up the cutting area of the tooth, would this speed up the failure of a tooth?

Are you asking about failure in regards to the cutter dulling/losing its cutting ability quicker or the chain tooth actually breaking/failing?

 

[Benwa]

@firewoodhuntingman
I really truly think we are/were all trying our best to help. In this post, you ask "the pertinent question."

Our reply to said post (in a helping civilized manner, along with examples to back our thought process) is that almost unanimously, no we don't believe it is doing a good enough job. Like it or not, that question is answered and feedback has been given. Use it as you see fit.

In this post,

"the chips tell me" that the small wood shreds are indicative of a poorly cutting chain. The larger, lighter colored chips, look to be from ripping WITH the grain of the wood, which will always produce a good size larger if not long chip. Is this accurate or reality? I have no idea. I'm not there. Remember, I'm only giving my best and most accurate opinion/feedback based on a photo you posted on the internet.

In this post, you inform us that in your opinion, you feel it's not dull and it's doing a good job of cutting.
That's fantastic! Really, it is. Which brings me to the point of this whole thing. If you feel you have a good cutting chain, you're personally happy with it, and you feel your filing job is good, then why ask the question at all?............ because, we all like to learn from each other and possibly even get affirmation from others "in the know," that we're on the right track. Possibly, already even, doing something correctly. Remember though, there is the off chance that when I think I'm doing something right, the majority might not agree with me or the way I'm doing things. Does it make any difference what the masses think? Only you can make that determination, but it might explain why you get some of the responses you do. So, here I am, balls deep into a derailing thread. One of the biggest reasons I get deterred and no longer try to give input and help as much as I used to. It kind of saddens me honestly. If one isn't willing to be receptive, then there's not much anyone can do to help. If one IS receptive however, whether we like the answers given or not, we can excel at a rapid pace toward knowledge, full understanding, and real life application for a given topic. Maybe even help others one day! What a great feeling to be able to do so. I certainly don't know the things I know, because people DIDN'T help me. This forum has helped me out exponentially since the day I stumbled across it, with every aspect of saw building, maintaining, cutting, etc. Don't get me wrong, I didn't always like the answers given for the questions I asked, but I wouldn't be where I'm at today without ALL of the responses & input given.
My .02 take it or leave it, it's your choice, it's your right.

 

[Benwa]

So @davidwyby let's get that dang 1/4" filed 3/8 chain in some wood and do some testing & comparisons so we can get some real world feed back!

 

[Deets066]

Maybe i have been posting in the wrong forum.

Doesn’t matter which forum you post in, your chain is not sharpened properly.

 

[pbillyi69]

the best answers are the ones we dont like to hear but need to be told or we wont ever learn any lesson ever. I ran a saw every day for more than ten years on my job and if my chain was making chips like the small chips in the photo in question i would stop and put on a sharp chain because that chain isnt sharp enough even though it may still cut kind of. a dull chain wears you out and takes more time. more time equals less money made because you have to work harder and it takes longer. nobody started out being good at filing chains it takes practice and it takes someone that knows how to do it right to show you why what you are doing wrong is wrong and how to change it. i learned how to file a chain when i was a teenager. im in my 50s now and i can fike my small round chains without any guides and make the really sharp and durable. the single most important thing iz to not run them into the ground and when you do to take the time to file all of the damaged material off.

 

[Lightning Performance]

Used a 1/4" file on old 404 chipper chain with tall cutters and my 404H chains when new.

You can sharpen any chain with any round file size if you pay attention to your depth.

Last month I was running 3/8 RS on my bow saw but sharpening with a picco sized file. If you don't thin the top plate too much your fine. It actually works quite well on the half gone cutters and the well worn loops. So... I find the file to be less important than a trained hand or a sharp eye. My 2cts

 

[Benwa]

Used a 1/4" file on old 404 chipper chain with tall cutters and my 404H chains when new.

You can sharpen any chain with any round file size if you pay attention to your depth.

Last month I was running 3/8 RS on my bow saw but sharpening with a picco sized file. If you don't thin the top plate too much your fine. It actually works quite well on the half gone cutters and the well worn loops. So... I find the file to be less important than a trained hand or a sharp eye. My 2cts

I agree 100% with your .02
Well said

 

[davidwyby]

I would venture an opinion that a larger dia file might be easier for a newbie to master.
Once you get the hang and know what you want, small file to whittle it to preference.

I’m thinking square ground .404” on the 395...skip? I have never tried 404, but square impressed me with its ability to cut even when not razor sharp. @Redbull661 did some testing (I just posted on the thread) and found 404 to hold up better too.

395 may need some xtra peas installed.

 

[huskihl]

I would venture an opinion that a larger dia file might be easier for a newbie to master.
Once you get the hang and know what you want, small file to whittle it to preference.

I’m thinking square ground .404” on the 395...skip? I have never tried 404, but square impressed me with its ability to cut even when not razor sharp. @Redbull661 did some testing (I just posted on the thread) and found 404 to hold up better too.

395 may need some xtra peas installed.

I’d order a loop of Raisman .404 semi chisel for that crap. Huge long round cutters that last very well in stuff like you’re cutting. It’s not fast, but it’ll still be cutting when others are dull. HL has it and @Armbru84 may still have some to sell

 

[davidwyby]

I’ve never been happy with semi, but I need to mess with it more. Try taking rakers down, maybe cowboy skip some I have.

 

[Armbru84]

I can spin you a loop of raisman semi if you want one.

 

[davidwyby]

I can spin you a loop of raisman semi if you want one.

Working on getting a 3120 but haven’t decided bar length yet

 

[firewoodhuntingman]

Doesn’t matter which forum you post in, your chain is not sharpened properly.

Chain is sharp enough to do the job for me.

 

[davidwyby]

If it was me, I’d pull up on the file and roll it a bit and get those shiny blunted edges off. If you can see the edge, it’s a bit dull.

 

[Pincher]

If it was me, I’d pull up on the file and roll it a bit and get those shiny blunted edges off. If you can see the edge, it’s a bit dull. View attachment 291367

It looks good enough for who its for....

Possibly before your time.

 

[davidwyby]

It looks good enough for who its for....

Possibly before your time.

Yeh but I’ve always hung around with people with more gray than me. Though that’s getting hard to do any more.