Hate to say it...

[beaglebriar]

I have never seen any oil separate with pump fuel that has ethanol. We're talking regular saws here not hotsaws, that's a different ballgame. If you run KL200 I would run a storage mix through the saw before sitting in on the shelf. If not I'm quite sure corrosion would be an issue IMHO.

A lot of bike oils will separate... ethanol or not.

 

[beaglebriar]

How do you use the fogging oil? Take off air cleaner and spray into carb while saw is running?

Through the plug hole.

 

[Deets066]

How do you use the fogging oil? Take off air cleaner and spray into carb while saw is running?

If your gunna be storing any engine for a period of time without use you should fog it.
Pull the plug and spray it in the cylinder and pull her over a few times

 

[RI Chevy]

Ahhh. Ok. TY. [emoji106]

 

[Keith Gandy]

How do you use the fogging oil? Take off air cleaner and spray into carb while saw is running?

U can do it that way. Fast idle and spray it in a few secs then spray wide open until it kills it. Gets the bottomend good that way

 

[RI Chevy]

OK thanks Keith and Keith. Lol

 

[Deets066]

U can do it that way. Fast idle and spray it in a few secs then spray wide open until it kills it. Gets the bottomend good that way

Hard to spay it in while it’s running with the plug out.

 

[huskihl]

....insert Keith Gandy wife joke here.......


Normally I'd do it, but I'm gonna give sumbody else a chance

 

[andyshine77]

A lot of bike oils will separate... ethanol or not.

I have never seen this with any of the oils I have used. Castor oils will separate in cold temps, I do not run castor oils.

 

[andyshine77]

Does K2 have stabalizers?

Maxima says the additives prevent corrosion.

 

[Cut4fun]

Seen separation here with others ope mix. Get saws in with issues first thing I do is dump their mix in clear qt jar to let settle and have a look. Some weird chit in some folks tank and mix.


Just a little read on it online.

2 Cycle Phase Separation

The engine to the right has been destroyed from phase separated fuel. Ethanol is hygroscopic (absorbs water), the vial to the right is from the fuel tank of this engine. The fuel on top is gold in color because 2 cycle oil will only bond with the gasoline. The octane is also lower because the ethanol has separated from it and bonded with the water below. Approximately ¾ of the clear fluid in the bottom of the vial is ethanol. The ethanol water mix settles in the bottom of the fuel tank and is picked up by the fuel system, then delivered to the carburetor. The engine ran on this ethanol mixture, causing it to run extremely hot with no lubrication. This damage occurs in only a few minutes of operation. The engine also ran out of control, which poses serious safety concerns for the equipment operator.

 

[Keith Gandy]

Seen separation here with others ope mix. Get saws in with issues first thing I do is dump their mix in clear qt jar to let settle and have a look. Some weird chit in some folks tank and mix.


Just a little read on it online.

2 Cycle Phase Separation

The engine to the right has been destroyed from phase separated fuel. Ethanol is hygroscopic (absorbs water), the vial to the right is from the fuel tank of this engine. The fuel on top is gold in color because 2 cycle oil will only bond with the gasoline. The octane is also lower because the ethanol has separated from it and bonded with the water below. Approximately ¾ of the clear fluid in the bottom of the vial is ethanol. The ethanol water mix settles in the bottom of the fuel tank and is picked up by the fuel system, then delivered to the carburetor. The engine ran on this ethanol mixture, causing it to run extremely hot with no lubrication. This damage occurs in only a few minutes of operation. The engine also ran out of control, which poses serious safety concerns for the equipment operator.

I did a xl12 the otherday and noticed their mix look pretty dark! They have filled the fuel tank up with bar oil and alil left over fuel that was already in the tank. Look like Ribbon Cane Mollases Syrup

 

[Cut4fun]

I did a xl12 the otherday and noticed their mix look pretty dark! They have filled the fuel tank up with bar oil and alil left over fuel that was already in the tank. Look like Ribbon Cane Mollases Syrup

Had one of those last year come in. Wont start. Bar oil in mix tank and mix in oil tank. In a 029.
He had loaned his saw out and got it back this way.

 

[blsnelling]

Seen separation here with others ope mix. Get saws in with issues first thing I do is dump their mix in clear qt jar to let settle and have a look. Some weird chit in some folks tank and mix.


Just a little read on it online.

2 Cycle Phase Separation

The engine to the right has been destroyed from phase separated fuel. Ethanol is hygroscopic (absorbs water), the vial to the right is from the fuel tank of this engine. The fuel on top is gold in color because 2 cycle oil will only bond with the gasoline. The octane is also lower because the ethanol has separated from it and bonded with the water below. Approximately ¾ of the clear fluid in the bottom of the vial is ethanol. The ethanol water mix settles in the bottom of the fuel tank and is picked up by the fuel system, then delivered to the carburetor. The engine ran on this ethanol mixture, causing it to run extremely hot with no lubrication. This damage occurs in only a few minutes of operation. The engine also ran out of control, which poses serious safety concerns for the equipment operator.

Seems that's a problem with water in the fuel, not an oil/fuel separation issue.

 

[Lightning Performance]

Seems that's a problem with water in the fuel, not an oil/fuel separation issue.

Oh it separates. Left an ms310 on the wood pile one cold night with H1R and pump eth10. It separated and wasted the motor in under thirty seconds. Leaned out and fell off. All dry inside. Ran soo good for fifteen seconds. I noticed it right away and should have put it down right away. Water was in the eth with fuel and oil on top.

 

[RedGas]

How do you use the fogging oil? Take off air cleaner and spray into carb while saw is running?

That's how I've always done it with outboard engines and inboard marine engines (350 Chevy)...YMMV.

 

[mdavlee]

I’ve used fuel over a year old with klotz KL200 in a metal VP can. No separation or anything.

 

[Farmchuck]

I personally have had zero issues running Red Armor nor have any concerns but a local place now has this
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I will be running this from now on! I ran it in my ZR 440's for years without a single issue.

The most impressive two stroke oil I’ve tried so far. Saber works well too.

Which ones better in chainsaw/ stringtrimmer applications? Saber or Dominator?

 

[huskyboy]

Which ones better in chainsaw/ stringtrimmer applications? Saber or Dominator?

Dominator carbons less. But both are good. Saber has stabilizer if that matters to you. I run my equipment dry if I’m going to let it sit, so that doesn’t matter to me personally.

 

[Ron660]

I’ve used fuel over a year old with klotz KL200 in a metal VP can. No separation or anything.

Same here in a metal can (Justrite brand) but with Motul and 93 non-E. If it's that old I usually test in my trimmer first before going in my saw.