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On my other favorite forum (tractorbynet) there's some good information about increasing the snow performance of R4 industrial tractor tires by grooving them. R4sc have a big footprint and don't have an aggressive tread pattern, so they mostly just spin on snow and ice.

For deep snow, ag tires are much better, or tires with chains, but on packed snow and ice apparently turf tires are the best (barring chains or studs). The reason is that the small grooves in the turf tires get packed with snow which then provides good traction on the ice or packed snow.

My little 29 HP New Holland with a light back blade is my primary snow removal machine. It works pretty good. I put truck chains on the front tires and some weights up front (no loader). I don't have and don't want to buy chains for the rear, so I took some advice I've seen on TBN. I grooved the tires. The grooves allow for performance more like a turf tire. Most people recommend a heated grooving iron, but I didn't want to spend $100 on something I only need one time.

So, I fired up the Dolmar 421 with a 12" bar and a newish loop of VXL, and went to town. Obviously I was worried about cutting too deep and ruining the tire, but the rubber cut easily and didn't try to pull the chain in at all.

Too early to vouch for the results, but it didn't cost me much to try. Many people swear by grooving their tires, so I figure it's worth a shot. Only took about 10-15 minutes per tire.

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I believe sipes are the tiny slits (like in snow tires), and the grooves are the bigger cutouts. So, these would be grooves. The tool I bought will do either.

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Ah I got ya! When we groove tires in the south it's for mud racing. It's a weight savings as well as in some cases taking large blocks of tread out to gain more of a paddle effect. I was thinking siping on a large scale being it's on a tractor not a car but I stand corrected none less sir.
 

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Yep, cowen got it right. I'd need something other than a chainsaw for sipes.
 

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On my other favorite forum (tractorbynet) there's some good information about increasing the snow performance of R4 industrial tractor tires by grooving them. R4sc have a big footprint and don't have an aggressive tread pattern, so they mostly just spin on snow and ice.

For deep snow, ag tires are much better, or tires with chains, but on packed snow and ice apparently turf tires are the best (barring chains or studs). The reason is that the small grooves in the turf tires get packed with snow which then provides good traction on the ice or packed snow.

My little 29 HP New Holland with a light back blade is my primary snow removal machine. It works pretty good. I put truck chains on the front tires and some weights up front (no loader). I don't have and don't want to buy chains for the rear, so I took some advice I've seen on TBN. I grooved the tires. The grooves allow for performance more like a turf tire. Most people recommend a heated grooving iron, but I didn't want to spend $100 on something I only need one time.

So, I fired up the Dolmar 421 with a 12" bar and a newish loop of VXL, and went to town. Obviously I was worried about cutting too deep and ruining the tire, but the rubber cut easily and didn't try to pull the chain in at all.

Too early to vouch for the results, but it didn't cost me much to try. Many people swear by grooving their tires, so I figure it's worth a shot. Only took about 10-15 minutes per tire.

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That looks like a professional job. Very nice. I have r1 tires or I'd give it a shot, too.
 

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I cut the sidewall out of a scraper tire once. Was turning it into a stock tank and the generator quit me so couldn't use the sawzall so out came the ms230 and got it done. Chain was destroyed but the job got done.
 

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That is a very good idea and nicely done on your tractor tires there sir. Giving me too many ideas right now.
 

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I did that to one of my forklifts with solid rubber tires ,it killed my chain pretty fast though .The tractor tires are a lot softer i bet .

I did see one or two sparks during the process. I've been mostly driving on snow for the last 10 engine hours or so, but I parked in the shed on gravel last night. Did a couple laps to clean them off, but I think there was a couple stones still hidden. I bet forklift tires are much harder, and assuming it runs on concrete, it'd be impossible to get ask the abrasives out. I just checked that loop of VXL. It's still very sharp.
 

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I love your idea and very nicely done also.
I doubt I will do it on my Massey Ferguson, back rear tires cost around 6000$ for a set :(

$6,000.00?!!! OUCH!!!!!!!! I thought $1,400.00 for a pair of 13.6 - 38 for my Farmall 300 Row Crop was bad!
 

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$6,000.00?!!! OUCH!!!!!!!! I thought $1,400.00 for a pair of 13.6 - 38 for my Farmall 300 Row Crop was bad!
the price tag make me nerveous when I drive on forrest roads if its a tight call to rocks lol
Its 600/65-34R rear tires
 
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