What you quoted is part of it, Jim giving them the bird on alot of things & not giving 2 chits what they think adds in to it also and not to put to fine of point on it, Jim airing his personal, religious and/or political beliefs is a real burr in the arses of the universities president as well as others across the ncaa landscape.
Pretty much exactly! It was meant to be a character assassination. The fact that it backfired spectacularly makes the Natty championship all the more sweet! All the fat cat cash counters want now is for the whole thing to quietly go away.
I don’t see that happening
You say everybody is doing it. Which means to me, that you think Michigan should too, or else...
I get stealing signs during an actual game, reading lips, and such; everybody tries to do that, and I agree, that is part of the game; and the gains are negligible. I do not believe everybody goes to the extent that Michigan did to learn the other teams signals; way more than reading lips and way more advantage, even if you only have a few seconds to adjust.I can understand where you’re coming from here. But it’s a rule in name only. Did you know there is a law on the books in Pennsylvania that says you have to stop every ten miles and set off a signaling device and wait ten minutes for livestock to clear the road. What should we do with all the good people of Pennsylvania who ignore this rule every day?
I understand that for folks who didn’t play the game at the college level it can be hard to understand that knowing the other teams signs has been a part of the game for as long as there has been a game. It’s part of the gamesmanship of the game of Football. It isn’t like an exact science either. More like trying to read someone’s lips from across a football field. Any advantage you might gain is negligible and offset by the fact the other team knows your signs as well.
As a defense/offense you have literal seconds to diagnose what play is about to be run. Knowing the sign for that play is a very small fraction of that process. The players still have to execute on both sides of the ball for either to be successful.
To me, as someone who played the game at the college level, you might as well be arguing against bluffing in poker.
Yes this is a college ball busting thread and I don’t see anything wrong with what has been said. Bust away, but realize guys are going to swing back.
Do you think the coaches on the sideline knew what plays Alabama and Washington were going to run?
Don’t go away angry. I’m genuinely enjoying the conversation about this. I’ve had a smile on my face the whole time. To your point about Ohio having our plays. There appears to be evidence that just that was happening. I don’t really care. I don’t believe it amounts to anything as far as a competitive advantage. And I’m not surprised in the least.
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So you are saying, missing a block, stripping the ball, slipping a tackle, blocking a pass on the field has an effect on game’s outcome? Does execution have anything to do with player performance and game’s scoring?Don’t go away angry. I’m genuinely enjoying the conversation about this. I’ve had a smile on my face the whole time. To your point about Ohio having our plays. There appears to be evidence that just that was happening. I don’t really care. I don’t believe it amounts to anything as far as a competitive advantage. And I’m not surprised in the least.
Either everyone's guilty, or no one is
The Michigan sign-stealing controversy has taken a new turn, and now three other Big Ten schools have found themselves in the spotlight alongside the Wolverines.
I played high school ball. Middle linebacker among other things to be more specific. I was responsible for diagnosing plays and setting coverages pre snap for the front 7. I also played D3 college ball for a brief time before I got too jaded with it being a big business instead of just a fun way to commit legally sanctioned assault and battery. I was pretty good at it, and if it had been fun I could have played all 5 years of my eligibility. Again I played middle linebacker, but they were prepping me to move to strong safety. I wasn’t quite big enough to play their style of middle linebacker. Still read and set the correct coverages just for DBs instead of the front 7.
At both levels the schools actually shared game video of their plays with each other. It was a given that they had your signs or knew most of your plays. Like you alluded there is the letter of the law and then there is the unwritten law every one follows as a cultural norm. It really amounted to nothing as far as a competitive advantage. The kids/coaches still have to execute. There is so little time for it to make a difference pre snap. It’s hard to explain just how fast stuff happens. You literally have a split second to read and react.
Did someone on the U of M staff take it too far? Someone felt he did and he was punished. Did it give them a competitive advantage? There’s no proof of that. From the perspective of a former player I highly doubt that it could have. Does it make the whole team cheaters? Does it wipe out the hundreds of hours of blood sweat and tears the players and coaches sacrificed? No I don’t believe it does.
That’s why they play the games versus a bunch of grumpy old men arguing about who’s better on paper.
Michigan beat Washington who beat Texas who beat Alabama who beat Georgia. They had a very good offense but it’s the defense that won it for them.
Growing up in Wisconsin, and going to school in Madison, I’m a Badger fan. That being said, it was very nice to see Michigan win it all. Hats off to them!
I'm not mad. I've been smiling too. I knew what would happen when I made my first post. Just done with this conversation. I said I would give you the last word, I plan to keep my word.Don’t go away angry. I’m genuinely enjoying the conversation about this. I’ve had a smile on my face the whole time. To your point about Ohio having our plays. There appears to be evidence that just that was happening. I don’t really care. I don’t believe it amounts to anything as far as a competitive advantage. And I’m not surprised in the least.
Either everyone's guilty, or no one is
The Michigan sign-stealing controversy has taken a new turn, and now three other Big Ten schools have found themselves in the spotlight alongside the Wolverines.
I played high school ball. Middle linebacker among other things to be more specific. I was responsible for diagnosing plays and setting coverages pre snap for the front 7. I also played D3 college ball for a brief time before I got too jaded with it being a big business instead of just a fun way to commit legally sanctioned assault and battery. I was pretty good at it, and if it had been fun I could have played all 5 years of my eligibility. Again I played middle linebacker, but they were prepping me to move to strong safety. I wasn’t quite big enough to play their style of middle linebacker. Still read and set the correct coverages just for DBs instead of the front 7.
At both levels the schools actually shared game video of their plays with each other. It was a given that they had your signs or knew most of your plays. Like you alluded there is the letter of the law and then there is the unwritten law every one follows as a cultural norm. It really amounted to nothing as far as a competitive advantage. The kids/coaches still have to execute. There is so little time for it to make a difference pre snap. It’s hard to explain just how fast stuff happens. You literally have a split second to read and react.
Did someone on the U of M staff take it too far? Someone felt he did and he was punished. Did it give them a competitive advantage? There’s no proof of that. From the perspective of a former player I highly doubt that it could have. Does it make the whole team cheaters? Does it wipe out the hundreds of hours of blood sweat and tears the players and coaches sacrificed? No I don’t believe it does.
Good question. What do I think? I lean towards yes, at least some of the time. In reality, I have no idea, but the trust is broken imo. It is like the boy that cried wolf; he is lying until he is not, but nobody knows the difference. Or, bluffing in poker, right @Woodpecker
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