Bow Hunting

[trooney]

I think he meant 125, the heaviest I have used is 160 and that put down a 550 lb black bear. 225 is rhino material! Lol

 

[P.M.P.]

Do they sell heads that heavy ? I use a 100gr brass insert so I can shoot whatever head I want. I went back to spitfire's maxx last year man I forgot how they put deer down.
Nice buck by the way.

I stocked up on them.They used to sell them till a few years ago you can no longer get them since they came out with the Fred Eichler series phantom.
I shoot Maxima blue streak out of my Mathews XLR8. They also have the gold tip insert ( https://www.goldtip.com/Components/FACT-System.aspx ) with the tool to thread in different wieghts from the nock. I like the heavy tip groups are tighter and it hits harder. Ive got some 125 phantoms as well as the Regular 3 blade Muzzys. I like the fact system fun for me to experiment,

 

[P.M.P.]

 

[Locust Cutter]

Anybody shoot a compound without sights, instinctively like a recurve or stickbow? I have a really nice Matthews I got a few years ago and haven't shot it much. I really want to get into recurves and instinctive shooting, but it makes more financial sense to start out with the box I already have if that is feasible. Some folks say that a compound will never shoot instinctively as well as a traditional, others say it doesn't matter as long as you practice and get everything set up right.

The short answer is yes, with practice.

It helps if the bow is setup properly for you and what you want to do but it's not everything. I own an old Jennings Black Lightening. I've had it since I was about 17 or 18 and it was a hand-me-down from a friend's Dad, that my friend's sister learned on. Couldn't tell you the draw weight (55lbs maybe?) or length. When I got it, it had 1 pin, no peep, and nothing else. No counter weight, whisker biscuit, etc. Before the string went to s-word, I shot it a decent amount when I was 18. I shot it using my finger tips, aiming down the arrow (don't know what specs on the arrows as they were part of the deal) as I learned in the Boy Scouts on a Re-Curve, from a serial killer that I knew as Mr. Rader, aka Dennis Rader, aka BTK... Nice guy, when he wasn't murdering people.

Anyhow, I adapted to it and fairly shortly was shooting consistent 9-10 ring shots at 15-40 yards. It just took practice, a bit of skill and learning the bow to know what amount of Kentucky windage to use...

 

[Stihlsmoking]

I stocked up on them.They used to sell them till a few years ago you can no longer get them since they came out with the Fred Eichler series phantom.
I shoot Maxima blue streak out of my Mathews XLR8. They also have the gold tip insert ( https://www.goldtip.com/Components/FACT-System.aspx ) with the tool to thread in different wieghts from the nock. I like the heavy tip groups are tighter and it hits harder. Ive got some 125 phantoms as well as the Regular 3 blade Muzzys. I like the fact system fun for me to experiment,

I understand the foc that's why I have 100gn inserts then I shoot 100gn heads so 200gn tips nothing a deer has stops em.
I just never seen 225gn heads ?

 

[Stihlsmoking]

My inserts actually 110gn ?

 

[Locust Cutter]

Can't remember his name. We were outside of Wichita, St. John's if I remember correctly. Got to look at a map. I've been beginning for 30 years and that hunt was the first time I rattled in a deer. You should have seen me, like a little kid. The chit will work if you have bucks that fight. Out east there at so many does, they don't have time for fighting.

LOL. I understand. The friend I referenced earlier is out East in the Flint Hills of KS, (which I have about 900 acres access). St John, is out West-Central in the sand hills. My Wife's family has ground out there (700 acres?) and there are good ones out there too. I've taken a nice 8 and 10 pointer out there.

Not a bow shot, but this was my latest from out West, which was a few years ago:

 

[P.M.P.]

I understand the foc that's why I have 100gn inserts then I shoot 100gn heads so 200gn tips nothing a deer has stops em.
I just never seen 225gn heads ?

I was wrong there 220 grain with the bleeder and 200 without.

I just got done sharpening this one. It be back in business again

 

[P.M.P.]

Check these out @Stihlsmoking
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[FergusonTO35]

The short answer is yes, with practice.

I learned in the Boy Scouts on a Re-Curve, from a serial killer that I knew as Mr. Rader, aka Dennis Rader, aka BTK... Nice guy, when he wasn't murdering people.

Oh wow.

 

[trooney]

LOL. I understand. The friend I referenced earlier is out East in the Flint Hills of KS, (which I have about 900 acres access). St John, is out West-Central in the sand hills. My Wife's family has ground out there (700 acres?) and there are good ones out there too. I've taken a nice 8 and 10 pointer out there.

Not a bow shot, but this was my latest from out West, which was a few years ago:View attachment 90810

Yeah, that's correct. About 3-4 hours from Witchita if I remember correctly. Yeah, Chipper was there and I tagged aloing with my friend CJ Win and from Bowhunter Magazine that was hunting out there. And then Jackie Bushman came later on in the week. The guide was really a good person too. Not stuck up like many of his clients....The one I saw was at least 180 if not bigger, and I saw bigger ones than that...I'm definately going back one of these years, I had a great time with my midwestern hosts...

 

[Locust Cutter]

Oh wow.

It was a hell of a shock when I found out. One of my best friends, who I went through Scouts with, also learned from him and remembered him. When the news broke on the radio, I knew the name but couldn't place it. He called about 2 minutes later and asked me if I remembered "Mr. Rader" - and I about drove off of the highway... On the bright side, he was a damn fine teacher and to this day I shot a bow pretty darn decently, while sighting down the arrow. I can shoot with peep sights and release and would probably be more consistent, but I really like the feel of the string coming off of my finger.

 

[FergusonTO35]

I've read alot of true crime over the years and Rader could have just kept on killing undetected if he had laid low. Those are the worst ones, those who can go from normal upstanding citizen to pathological killer just like flipping a switch.

 

[Wagnerwerks]

Just got back from tracking a buck a mile and a half. Lost the blood trail and realized how far we were from home. This is my second year hunting with a bow. that Sucks....

 

[Stihlsmoking]

Just got back from tracking a buck a mile and a half. Lost the blood trail and realized how far we were from home. This is my second year hunting with a bow. that Sucks....

Sometimes if the shot is questionable you have to wait 6/8 hrs or overnight? I know in heat you worry about meat being ruined or coyotes getting them. And it's hard to wait just gotta do it sometimes?

 

[FergusonTO35]

I usually wait about 20-30 minutes before I try to find one. I want to give him/her a chance to lay down and expire. Also, I want it to be good and dead when I do find it.

The places I hunt, you can't go nearly that far without getting on someone else's place and potentially right in the middle of their hunt. My best friend shot a nice one on my sister's farm last rifle season. He had the rifle on a rest and we had a good blood trail, unfortunately he made it across the road onto another place. I think the shot was good, the deer just managed to last long enough to get off the property.

 

[Stihlsmoking]

I'd found most deer I shot with a rifle went farther then ones I shot with a bow ? Then It hit me with a bow you avoid hitting the shoulder and not with a gun ? I try to train myself to behind shoulder with a bow and at shoulder with gun ? But first instinct is behind the shoulder. With bow I usually see them fall or hear them crash !!

 

[FergusonTO35]

I've never understood the shoulder shot thing. Unless you are using a slug that's going to crush everything in it's path and exit the other side like a 500 grain .45-70 there is too much chance for the bullet to shatter or deflect and/or send bone shards throughout. Everything you need to hit is right behind the shoulder and it doesn't require much of a bullet to be effective. Matter of fact, the fastest kill I ever made was with my .257 Roberts loaded to sedate .250 Savage power level (115 grain Sierra Pro-Hunter at 2600 fps). I placed the slug behind the shoulder of a fat old doe grazing about 80 yards away. She was on the ground lights out before the sound of the shot had finished echoing through the hills. Field dressing revealed a standard heart/lung shot that didn't come near the spine.

 

[Stihlsmoking]

I shoot 180gn pointed soft points out of .308 and never dropped one in its tracks some only went 10/15ft blew through both shoulders ? If I hit behind shoulder they go 80/100yds ? Go figure
Maybe they go through to fast an don't expand enough?

 

[Locust Cutter]

You could be using too strong of a bullet for deer...