MS441

[andyshine77]

That's a $100 saw IMHO.

 

[huskyboy]

I don’t know that I’m really seeking one. Just curious what they’re worth in case I stumble across a deal. Here’s a local example:

No way. Looks like they tried to spell needs carb diaphragm... so who knows if it even runs right and it looks quite worn. That’s a 150-200$ saw or less.

 

[66Fleetside]

No way. Looks like they tried to spell needs carb diaphragm... so who knows if it even runs right and it looks quite worn. That’s a 150-200$ saw or less.

Thanks. Yeah I assumed he was talking carb diaphragm. Spelling and grammar on CL and FB is pretty tough.

Not really pursuing that specific saw. Just a conversation starter. As bad as that looks, I often see very well used 044/440/460 listed for ~$500-$600. Who knows what they actually sell for. Pretty much the same on the rare occasion a 372 comes up for sale

 

[huskyboy]

Thanks. Yeah I assumed he was talking carb diaphragm. Spelling and grammar on CL and FB is pretty tough.

Not really pursuing that specific saw. Just a conversation starter. As bad as that looks, I often see very well used 044/440/460 listed for ~$500-$600. Who knows what they actually sell for. Pretty much the same on the rare occasion a 372 comes up for sale

It is much easier to rebuild a 440/460 or 372 though than a 441. Resale is higher... they are usually worth a little more. Although for 500-600$ it better be a decent example. A lot of the parts on the 441 are proprietary to that specific saw and not shared with others which adds to the difficulty.

 

[andyshine77]

Yeah the 440 and what not were simple and were made for a couple decades, so parts are everywhere and people liked them. Again this is why the 6400 series of saws are such a great value, plus they're every bit as good as the Husqvarna or Stihl equivalent.

 

[66Fleetside]

Yeah the 440 and what not were simple and were made for a couple decades, so parts are everywhere and people liked them. Again this is why the 6400 series of saws are such a great value, plus they're every bit as good as the Husqvarna or Stihl equivalent.

Which Dolkita models are upgrade-able to the 79cc top end? When I look on HD website, I see mostly 6421.

 

[andyshine77]

Which Dolkita models are upgrade-able to the 79cc top end? When I look on HD website, I see mostly 6421.

The 6421 is in a series of three saws, 64cc 73cc and 79cc, the only difference being the piston and cylinder. So yes that saw takes the 7900, it's a 10 minute job.

 

[PA Plumber]

The 6421 is in a series of three saws, 64cc 73cc and 79cc, the only difference being the piston and cylinder. So yes that say takes the 7900, it's a 10 minute job.

How much time for those of us who are a little rusty with stuff like this?

 

[huskyboy]

The dolmars are as easy to work on as a 372xp. Remove the handle bar and top cover and everything is accessible. You will need a wiha torx t27 T handle wrench, same as a stihl. Do not over tighten the intake screws, they go into plastic. Other than that it’s pretty much self explanatory.

 

[andyshine77]

How much time for those of us who are a little rusty with stuff like this?

15

 

[Mastermind]

The 6421 is in a series of three saws, 64cc 73cc and 79cc, the only difference being the piston and cylinder. So yes that saw takes the 7900, it's a 10 minute job.

And an hour at least to properly port match the muffler to the jug.

 

[66Fleetside]

Figure on a couple hundred bucks for the 7900 P&C?

 

[Mastermind]

Figure on a couple hundred bucks for the 7900 P&C?

7910 is the only one that's available now. Hence my comment on matching the muffler.

 

[PA Plumber]

And an hour at least to properly port match the muffler to the jug.

An hour? That's it?
Hmm...I'll work this out in typing (instead of out loud)...
5 minutes to pull the piston and cylinder.
5 minutes to really butcher up the new cylinder.
Buy another new cylinder at whatever the cost because it doesn't matter now that it's the principle of the thing.
Butcher another cylinder, but was really careful this time and it took 7 minutes.
Buy a new cylinder and reassemble because this is getting to be a "life lesson."
Finally, come to the conclusion having someone else port this thing doesn't sound like such a bad idea after all.

 

[66Fleetside]

7910 is the only one that's available now. Hence my comment on matching the muffler.

Gotcha. Was my budgetary estimate about right?

 

[huskyboy]

If your not going to port the saw or open the muffler there is no real need to port match the muffler to the cylinder. There will be a step in the exhaust port of a 7910 just past the cylinder wall. This was to accommodate the 7910 SLR muffler. I’ve ran them with just a gutted muffler and that alone helps without bothering to port match the step. It does look much nicer and no doubt improves performance when it is blended in though.

 

[Mastermind]

An hour? That's it?
Hmm...I'll work this out in typing (instead of out loud)...
5 minutes to pull the piston and cylinder.
5 minutes to really butcher up the new cylinder.
Buy another new cylinder at whatever the cost because it doesn't matter now that it's the principle of the thing.
Butcher another cylinder, but was really careful this time and it took 7 minutes.
Buy a new cylinder and reassemble because this is getting to be a "life lesson."
Finally, come to the conclusion having someone else port this thing doesn't sound like such a bad idea after all.

That hour was for JUST the muffler work.

Gotcha. Was my budgetary estimate about right?

Yeppers.

 

[MustangMike]

I had a stock 441 (non M Tronic) at the same time my 10 mm 044 was stock. They both ran about the same, I had no issues with the 441 and did a good amount of milling with it.

IMO, the 441 and 362 get more undeserved bad press than any other saws.

 

[PA Plumber]

Actually, Randy, I was only thinking about the Exhaust side.
Intake, transfers, squish, etc would certainly add more time.
I'm only guessing. Can count on no fingers the amount of times I've worked on a cylinder.
Other than aluminum transfer. Which took very fine sandpaper, the works cleaner, and patience.

 

[66Fleetside]

I had a stock 441 (non M Tronic) at the same time my 10 mm 044 was stock. They both ran about the same, I had no issues with the 441 and did a good amount of milling with it.

IMO, the 441 and 362 get more undeserved bad press than any other saws.

I have next to zero complaints about my 362. At least nothing that really matters. The mushy feel of the control switch is kind of cheesy. Wish the oiler was a little better but I figure that might be driven by regulators.