Not So Pro 3

[full chizel]

Until my regular job starts back up i took a job at a USPS plant
One of the women made bank
Because a forklift operator ran over her steel toed shoe and cleaved all those toes off
She made bank because of it
A lot more then 30k

Thats peanuts for losing toes. I wouldn’t call that making bank.

 

[3browns]

I've been thinking about what you posted yesterday. The thing about fentanyl testing strips and narcon.

Theres a lot more to this than is possible to go over in text....and I don't think what you posted is political in any way. But I've lived thru some of this stuff, and feel the need to share.

Here's what we are seeing in this area. Its happening nationwide. Counterfeit pills are being made using fentanyl. A person who has an addiction to opioids can end up dead because they got a pill that wasn't at all what they thought it was. That's why I see a need for the test strips.

I realize that most people don't have much compassion for a drug addict....but addiction to opioids can happen to good people who never used anything that wasn't prescribed to them by a doctor. If they lose their insurance, or miss an appointment, they can lose access to the substance that they are addicted to. Then out of desperation they seek out something to keep them from being deathly ill.

No, I totally get it

I knew it would or could be very inflammatory when I wrote it

As the father of a recovering addict I have some very strong opinions and I know some of them are probably misguided

I know there are people who get hooked on prescription opioids and suddenly the pipeline gets shut off and they are desperate

I am sure you saw the picture of my shoulder following reconstruction surgery

The ortho surgeon gave me a prescription for Oxycodone at the base pharmacy and a secondary prescription at the local Carrs/Safeway pharmacy, so I ended up with 2 bottles of the stuff and 2 possible refills

When I went back to see him in 2 weeks the first thing he asked was did I want another set of refills and when I told him I took exactly 5 of the pills and then switched over to Tylenol and Motrin he was shocked to say the least

I didn't take another one of those pills until a month later and that was 1 pill so I could sit for 6 hours on the plane back to Hawaii

Did my shoulder still hurt, you bet it did, but the thought of getting hooked on that other *s-word was stronger than the desire for the pills

That was one of the things my son claimed as his reason for getting hooked, prescription opioids following some surgery in his sinus cavities, although when he later admitted he started using and selling coke in high school his reason/excuse/whatever kind of lost credibility

Pain sucks but I think the medical community is way to generous in what they make available to the public

This will draw fire I am sure but I equate a lot of this to the cigarettes and smoking health phenomenon

My dad's generation were furnished with cigarettes during the wars they fought to calm nerves, give them something to do, whatever, and they got hooked before anyone ever thought of putting a warning label on a pack of cigarettes so it is hard to blame them for their subsequent health issues

I just turned 68 and anyone my age or younger doesn't have the excuse "I didn't know they would give me cancer" because that info has been out there for decades now

The prescription pill situation, in my eyes, is much the same; unless you have been in a cave it is hard to not know that if you take too many for too long, you can get hooked

Yes yes yes, the doctor prescribed them, but nobody forced you (not you specifically) to take them and then ask for more and more

I know that there are a multitude of reasons people get hooked, and I do have some compassion

I am going to stop here before I dig my hole too deep to get out of

Peace

 

[Mastermind]

Pain sucks but I think the medical community is way to generous in what they make available to the public

Agree 1000%

I am going to stop here before I dig my hole too deep to get out of

No worries there my friend. I think it's important to be able to discuss touchy subjects respectfully.

It is possible to disagree (and I'm not saying we are) without becoming disagreeable.

Peace indeed.

 

[Loony661]

No, I totally get it

I knew it would or could be very inflammatory when I wrote it

As the father of a recovering addict I have some very strong opinions and I know some of them are probably misguided

I know there are people who get hooked on prescription opioids and suddenly the pipeline gets shut off and they are desperate

I am sure you saw the picture of my shoulder following reconstruction surgery

The ortho surgeon gave me a prescription for Oxycodone at the base pharmacy and a secondary prescription at the local Carrs/Safeway pharmacy, so I ended up with 2 bottles of the stuff and 2 possible refills

When I went back to see him in 2 weeks the first thing he asked was did I want another set of refills and when I told him I took exactly 5 of the pills and then switched over to Tylenol and Motrin he was shocked to say the least

I didn't take another one of those pills until a month later and that was 1 pill so I could sit for 6 hours on the plane back to Hawaii

Did my shoulder still hurt, you bet it did, but the thought of getting hooked on that other *s-word was stronger than the desire for the pills

That was one of the things my son claimed as his reason for getting hooked, prescription opioids following some surgery in his sinus cavities, although when he later admitted he started using and selling coke in high school his reason/excuse/whatever kind of lost credibility

Pain sucks but I think the medical community is way to generous in what they make available to the public

This will draw fire I am sure but I equate a lot of this to the cigarettes and smoking health phenomenon

My dad's generation were furnished with cigarettes during the wars they fought to calm nerves, give them something to do, whatever, and they got hooked before anyone ever thought of putting a warning label on a pack of cigarettes so it is hard to blame them for their subsequent health issues

I just turned 68 and anyone my age or younger doesn't have the excuse "I didn't know they would give me cancer" because that info has been out there for decades now

The prescription pill situation, in my eyes, is much the same; unless you have been in a cave it is hard to not know that if you take too many for too long, you can get hooked

Yes yes yes, the doctor prescribed them, but nobody forced you (not you specifically) to take them and then ask for more and more

I know that there are a multitude of reasons people get hooked, and I do have some compassion

I am going to stop here before I dig my hole too deep to get out of

Peace

Agree 1000%

No worries there my friend. I think it's important to be able to discuss touchy subjects respectfully.

It is possible to disagree (and I'm not saying we are) without becoming disagreeable.

Peace indeed.

If big pharmaceuticals would stop handing out huge bonus $ to Dr’s that meet Rx goals, a lot of this would stop. I’ve been told, by more than 1 trusted person in the medical field, that if they met “x” goal for the quarter/year, that they would get like a $40,000 bonus. So of course they are going to push meds and mask the symptoms instead of actually finding and fixing the problem.

 

[3browns]

Agree 1000%

No worries there my friend. I think it's important to be able to discuss touchy subjects respectfully.

It is possible to disagree (and I'm not saying we are) without becoming disagreeable.

Peace indeed.

Part of this goes back to being a child of the 60s, 70s, and 80s and having the strength of will or whatever it was to just say no to all the "recreational" drugs that were around me, and having essentially grown up in El Paso Texas there were a LOT of drugs, they were cheap, and they were ridiculously easy to get

I guess I don't understand why people would take that first hit of coke, or that first tab of acid, etc etc, at least in the last few decades with all the information that is out there

My father was an alcoholic, although I didn't know that until a few days after he died because he hid it well

His father and brother were alcoholics and I did know that up front and made damn sure my 3 kids knew that and knew what it meant, not just the label "alcoholic" and I damn sure reinforced that message after my dad died and I found out what I did

My mom got hooked on all the usual crap that doctors gave women in the 60s and 70s to help even out their moods or whatever, Librium, Valium, etc and it took years to get off all that garbage

The point of all this is my son KNEW he had a family history of addiction issues and he KNEW what drugs and alcohol would do to you and yet, at some point, he made the decision to go down that path anyway

That is what I will never understand and what I doubt he can ever explain to me

It is a complicated and touchy subject and I am old and cranky and when I see cities declare that they are open drug use zones and I see those cities descend into a hellish nightmare and I see that college kids can't just worry about grades I get REALLY cranky and like I said, I am just too old for the world in the state it is currently in

I find myself drawing back into my own tiny space and living within myself and the woman I have been with for over 48 years and basically just shutting out the chaos and craziness out there beyond the world of chainsaws and the people on here that farm and ranch and cut wood and grow tomatoes and fix things and try to make the world a better place

Hopefully I am done

 

[GCJenks204]

Part of this goes back to being a child of the 60s, 70s, and 80s and having the strength of will or whatever it was to just say no to all the "recreational" drugs that were around me, and having essentially grown up in El Paso Texas there were a LOT of drugs, they were cheap, and they were ridiculously easy to get

I guess I don't understand why people would take that first hit of coke, or that first tab of acid, etc etc, at least in the last few decades with all the information that is out there

My father was an alcoholic, although I didn't know that until a few days after he died because he hid it well

His father and brother were alcoholics and I did know that up front and made damn sure my 3 kids knew that and knew what it meant, not just the label "alcoholic" and I damn sure reinforced that message after my dad died and I found out what I did

My mom got hooked on all the usual crap that doctors gave women in the 60s and 70s to help even out their moods or whatever, Librium, Valium, etc and it took years to get off all that garbage

The point of all this is my son KNEW he had a family history of addiction issues and he KNEW what drugs and alcohol would do to you and yet, at some point, he made the decision to go down that path anyway

That is what I will never understand and what I doubt he can ever explain to me

It is a complicated and touchy subject and I am old and cranky and when I see cities declare that they are open drug use zones and I see those cities descend into a hellish nightmare and I see that college kids can't just worry about grades I get REALLY cranky and like I said, I am just too old for the world in the state it is currently in

I find myself drawing back into my own tiny space and living within myself and the woman I have been with for over 48 years and basically just shutting out the chaos and craziness out there beyond the world of chainsaws and the people on here that farm and ranch and cut wood and grow tomatoes and fix things and try to make the world a better place

Hopefully I am done

Please don’t be done. Your message is important, we need to hear it and so do many more. Please don’t retreat from society but be one of the ones that makes a difference and makes it better. Your are trying to do this with your son, please consider finding a way to help your community as well.

 

[Mastermind]

If big pharmaceuticals would stop handing out huge bonus $ to Dr’s that meet Rx goals, a lot of this would stop. I’ve been told, by more than 1 trusted person in the medical field, that if they met “x” goal for the quarter/year, that they would get like a $40,000 bonus. So of course they are going to push meds and mask the symptoms instead of actually finding and fixing the problem.

I was in a car wreck and broke my back.....a second time at 36. I was taking one hydrocodone a day for a few weeks when the doctor I was seeing referred me to a pain management center. I took the meds they prescribed.....and a few years later I was taking a large dose of morphine twice a day. I actually had no idea how addicted I was until I detoxed. That was a hell that I'll never forget. Once I got clean I became involved in NA service to help others who wound up like me. Next month on the 20th.....I'll have 18 years clean and sober.

 

[3browns]

And on a more pleasant note, the moon about an hour ago looking west from the side lot

 

[Mastermind]

I was in a car wreck and broke my back.....a second time at 36. I was taking one hydrocodone a day for a few weeks when the doctor I was seeing referred me to a pain management center. I took the meds they prescribed.....and a few years later I was taking a large dose of morphine twice a day. I actually had no idea how addicted I was until I detoxed. That was a hell that I'll never forget. Once I got clean I became involved in NA service to help others who wound up like me. Next month on the 20th.....I'll have 18 years clean and sober.

To be perfectly clear......I wasn't just blaming the doctors. I was a recreational drug and alcohol user most of my life before the accident. But whatever I did, I was able to use in moderation.....or abstain completely when I wanted to. The opioids were a different thing. Those damn things get a hold on a person that is not easy to walk away from.

 

[Mastermind]

And on a more pleasant note, the moon about an hour ago looking west from the side lot

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I feel like howling now.

 

[Kiwioilboiler]

Morena E Hoas.

Kia kaha (stay strong).

 

[GCJenks204]

To be perfectly clear......I wasn't just blaming the doctors. I was a recreational drug and alcohol user most of my life before the accident. But whatever I did, I was able to use in moderation.....or abstain completely when I wanted to. The opioids were a different thing. Those damn things get a hold on a person that is not easy to walk away from.

You can say you don't blame the DRs but they are part of the problem, along with Big Pharma. In a previous job I used to have quite a few pharmacists as customers, thing is none of them ever paid for these large purchases themselves. They were always quoted too and paid for by a different company, I am certain this shell company was a front for a or multiple drug companies for washing the kick backs to the pharmacists so they didn't have to claim the income through their store or income tax.

 

[full chizel]

The doctors and nurses thought my dad was crazy for refusing any pain meds in the hospital.

 

[Mastermind]

You can say you don't blame the DRs but they are part of the problem, along with Big Pharma. In a previous job I used to have quite a few pharmacists as customers, thing is none of them ever paid for these large purchases themselves. They were always quoted too and paid for by a different company, I am certain this shell company was a front for a or multiple drug companies for washing the kick backs to the pharmacists so they didn't have to claim the income through their store or income tax.

I said I didn't blame JUST the doctors. LOL

 

[Mastermind]

The doctors and nurses thought my dad was crazy for refusing any pain meds in the hospital.

Smart man. Dem things is the devil.

 

[3browns]

Please don’t be done. Your message is important, we need to hear it and so do many more. Please don’t retreat from society but be one of the ones that makes a difference and makes it better. Your are trying to do this with your son, please consider finding a way to help your community as well.

Thank you Gary, maybe I can make a difference, although I don't know how at the present

My son will be clean and sober for 3 years next week and if he is physically able he wants to go to his AA meeting and wants us to go along

Maybe there is someone I can talk to about possibly speaking, although I am not sure just what I could say that would be appropriate

It is certainly something to look into

 

[3browns]

You can say you don't blame the DRs but they are part of the problem, along with Big Pharma. In a previous job I used to have quite a few pharmacists as customers, thing is none of them ever paid for these large purchases themselves. They were always quoted too and paid for by a different company, I am certain this shell company was a front for a or multiple drug companies for washing the kick backs to the pharmacists so they didn't have to claim the income through their store or income tax.

This is just another system that is absolutely BROKEN

 

[Lnk]

No, I totally get it

I knew it would or could be very inflammatory when I wrote it

As the father of a recovering addict I have some very strong opinions and I know some of them are probably misguided

I know there are people who get hooked on prescription opioids and suddenly the pipeline gets shut off and they are desperate

I am sure you saw the picture of my shoulder following reconstruction surgery

The ortho surgeon gave me a prescription for Oxycodone at the base pharmacy and a secondary prescription at the local Carrs/Safeway pharmacy, so I ended up with 2 bottles of the stuff and 2 possible refills

When I went back to see him in 2 weeks the first thing he asked was did I want another set of refills and when I told him I took exactly 5 of the pills and then switched over to Tylenol and Motrin he was shocked to say the least

I didn't take another one of those pills until a month later and that was 1 pill so I could sit for 6 hours on the plane back to Hawaii

Did my shoulder still hurt, you bet it did, but the thought of getting hooked on that other *s-word was stronger than the desire for the pills

That was one of the things my son claimed as his reason for getting hooked, prescription opioids following some surgery in his sinus cavities, although when he later admitted he started using and selling coke in high school his reason/excuse/whatever kind of lost credibility

Pain sucks but I think the medical community is way to generous in what they make available to the public

This will draw fire I am sure but I equate a lot of this to the cigarettes and smoking health phenomenon

My dad's generation were furnished with cigarettes during the wars they fought to calm nerves, give them something to do, whatever, and they got hooked before anyone ever thought of putting a warning label on a pack of cigarettes so it is hard to blame them for their subsequent health issues

I just turned 68 and anyone my age or younger doesn't have the excuse "I didn't know they would give me cancer" because that info has been out there for decades now

The prescription pill situation, in my eyes, is much the same; unless you have been in a cave it is hard to not know that if you take too many for too long, you can get hooked

Yes yes yes, the doctor prescribed them, but nobody forced you (not you specifically) to take them and then ask for more and more

I know that there are a multitude of reasons people get hooked, and I do have some compassion

I am going to stop here before I dig my hole too deep to get out of

Peace

Well said

 

[Mastermind]

This is just another system that is absolutely BROKEN

When we allowed unlimited money to be "donated" to our politicians, we lost all control over our political processes. That not a left vs right issue.....it is just a fact.

 

[3browns]

When we allowed unlimited money to be "donated" to our politicians, we lost all control over our political processes. That not a left vs right issue.....it is just a fact.

Absolutely, that is simply NOT up for argument