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I sent a 262 jug to @drf255 to machine for me, and he told me it was a "B" cylinder, and I needed a "B" piston. This is the first I've heard of this. Fortunately the meteor piston I bought was a "B" piston.
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So what's the deal with this? Is this the case with all brands and saws? Or just some?
Let's discuss...


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I didn't either. Never heard of it. So I thought either I missed it for the past three years or it doesn't get any press....


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Well i wish i knew but have never really paid much attention to a vs b vs ab. Cylinders. Here's what i stole from another discussion about it on another site. so you can take it or leave it.


Quote "There should be a mark on the cylinder somewhere indicating what size piston is inside. After You remove cylinder the actual piston will have a mark A Or B And some even have C.
From what I have learned MOST aftermarket pistons will fit all cylinders. Episan does make an A and a B aftermarket piston.
I think, not sure as I have slight CRS A is smallest C is biggest .
A piston in B cylinder less compression , B piston in A Cylinder more compression.
I had this same question at one time and was told if the saw was really used a lot the wear of the chrome lining basically made the point mute
I don't think the loss or gains in compression would be significant "

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My understanding on this is that the castings came out slightly different, so they were sized according to this.

Precision in this game is what seperate the men from the boys. When you want something that moves 32,000 times a minute to last, you better be dead balls on accurate. That's at least how I see it.

Apparently, cylinder come marked as A, B, or C. I've had both A and B Husky 262 cylinders here. The B's are much more common. No "AB" cylinder exists, but AB Pistons do and can be used in an A or B cylinder.

The meteor box on top measures 47.95mm. So you should get .05 mm of side clearance or roughly .002"-what we all look for. I can't find a pic of the A piston box I had, but I will try. It's a slightly smaller dimension to fit into a slightly smaller cylinder.

At these tolerances, compression would be the same with the wrong piston. But a smaller A piston in a C jug would be loose and slap the skirts, and a B piston in an A jug may seize if it expands too fast.

You guys know I do a lot of 26's. The A is much more common than the B cylinder on them. I had a sweet KS "B" jug that took a B piston. That same piston had its dome cut and was to go into an A jug. It bound itself at the top of the A jug. An A piston worked fine.

I think this is a case where you get some lattitude, but I personally match the piston to the correct jug. I'm too neurotic not to.

FWIW, @Welder56 taught me this when he got a 262 from me that I had bought off of @Landmark.
 

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Found my 262 "A" piston box.

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So the piston is .0004" or .01mm smaller. Is that enough to cause an issue? I have no idea.

There has to be a reason that the OEM bothers with it I would think.


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A B C D means different size, A+ is a tad bigger but smaller then B. If I remember correct A piston is more egg shaped.
Between A B the different isnt that huge, nowadays I think you get AB piston from Husky who work on both an A and B jug.
On old days Husky seperated those things, we could order A, B, C piston seperate.

My 254 KS 1C++ jug had Husky AB piston from the factory.

There was something about it on AS for those who is interested to read:
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Looking at that thread, it appears that the "B" piston is now considered appropriate for A, B, and C cylinders. New or used.

I can stop freaking out now. I know I had a B that was too tight in an A bore. It coulda just been a fluke.
 

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Looking at that thread, it appears that the "B" piston is now considered appropriate for A, B, and C cylinders. New or used.

I can stop freaking out now. I know I had a B that was too tight in an A bore. It coulda just been a fluke.
ideal you would prefer to use an A piston in A jug if you have the options to do so, but you also have to keep in mind that there are several different A tolerance also with those +, I belive Meteor have the options of A and B pistons, Husky have taken the middle way with AB piston to cover ABC jugs.
Dunno what Stihl have done.
 

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Ok this thread is starting to make me have more questions than answers. I build several 262's a year and i NEED to know is there a wrong combination piston/cylinder. I usually use meteor and currently have two 262's on my bench. Both non-decomp mahle cylinders. One is 'A' and one is 'B'. I am not sure which meteor piston i put in them a or b. Is this such a big issue that i need to tear them back apart and make sure the 'wrong' combo isnt used. I pride myself on putting together quality saws and will not take a chance on 'hope so' or think so mentallity. Does anyone have any real experience where a 262 failed bcause wrong piston used? If so then why doesn't meteor say 'for use in A cylinder only' or somthing like that? Maybe @Mastermind or one of the top builders will chime in. Would appreciate some clarity on this issue.
 

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Yeah on 262 you have the option to choose between A or B piston, but it isn't certain that this will continue from Meteor, they may do as Husky have done with their OEM piston, middle way by offering AB piston, just like they did with 254 piston.
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I would without any doubt bought A piston for A jug and B piston for B jug as long I can choose, if it was an A+ jug I would probleby slept well with an B piston.
 

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Ok this thread is starting to make me have more questions than answers. I build several 262's a year and i NEED to know is there a wrong combination piston/cylinder. I usually use meteor and currently have two 262's on my bench. Both non-decomp mahle cylinders. One is 'A' and one is 'B'. I am not sure which meteor piston i put in them a or b. Is this such a big issue that i need to tear them back apart and make sure the 'wrong' combo isnt used. I pride myself on putting together quality saws and will not take a chance on 'hope so' or think so mentallity. Does anyone have any real experience where a 262 failed bcause wrong piston used? If so then why doesn't meteor say 'for use in A cylinder only' or somthing like that? Maybe @Mastermind or one of the top builders will chime in. Would appreciate some clarity on this issue.
Dave, you dont need to tear them apart, take out the spark plug, Meteor A B marking is right there on that spot
 

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Ok this thread is starting to make me have more questions than answers. I build several 262's a year and i NEED to know is there a wrong combination piston/cylinder. I usually use meteor and currently have two 262's on my bench. Both non-decomp mahle cylinders. One is 'A' and one is 'B'. I am not sure which meteor piston i put in them a or b. Is this such a big issue that i need to tear them back apart and make sure the 'wrong' combo isnt used. I pride myself on putting together quality saws and will not take a chance on 'hope so' or think so mentallity. Does anyone have any real experience where a 262 failed bcause wrong piston used? If so then why doesn't meteor say 'for use in A cylinder only' or somthing like that? Maybe @Mastermind or one of the top builders will chime in. Would appreciate some clarity on this issue.
Sorry Dave, I didn't mean to cause you stress...I'm wondering the same on my FIL's 262 I did last year???
 

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Sorry Dave, I didn't mean to cause you stress...I'm wondering the same on my FIL's 262 I did last year???
No problm glad this came up now. The 'b' cylinder i have has a 'a' piston in it so i will tear down and install the correct piston. At least i can say j have learned somthing today.
 

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Does it have to do with Mahle vs KS?View attachment 18217
Factory 262 piston for Mahle no decomp jug.
I wonder if Mahle have factory in Brazil, my 254 oem piston came also with a box made in Brazil.
If that happen maybe we can be lucky in future that NLA stuff may be able again.
I consider to purchase oem 242 piston, currious if that one also come from Brazil.
Another thing is if they have a plant in Brazil we should expect prize drop on longer run
 
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