404 problems with converted Stihl bars

[Wonkydonkey]

I went to turn the page and "NADDA" So as a Paul Harvey scenario Where is THE REST of the STORY"?

It was the dirty air filter pix requestment, ..

 

[Junk Meister]

It was the dirty air filter pix requestment, ..

Yup, they must have a censoring feature that removes all of the DIRTY POSTS and now air filters too.

 

[Normzilla]

Makes me wonder if the sprocket is .063 and the chain is .050 so the teeth are getting stuck?

Mark

If it's. 404 its only .063 gauge. My guess is it's the different model narrow nose sprocket..never heard of one until tonight, and never saw something like that until tonight, so ferris that tells me something. And I'm surrounded by .404 guys where I live. No issues.

 

[Junk Meister]

If it's. 404 its only .063 gauge. My guess is it's the different model narrow nose sprocket..never heard of one until tonight, and never saw something like that until tonight, so ferris that tells me something. And I'm surrounded by .404 guys where I live. No issues.

I have seen requests for .058 gage .404 . It must be hard to find (OLDER STUFF???) maybe the bar is .058. But that doesn't explain other bars acting up.

 

[heimannm]

I have .404 in .050 (limited quantities from the older Homelite days), .058 in Semi-Chisel, Chisel, Semi-Chisel Skip, and Square Chisel Skip, .063 in Semi-Chisel, Chisel, and Chisel Skip. The 050 is getting harder to find but it is still out there. .058 is still out there if you look a bit.

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Mark

 

[Junk Meister]

Grasping for ideas at this point So to toss in a few more combobbolators. Are all the bars doing this on the same saw, or more than one powerhead? My odd dimension of thought is if it is one saw then possibly(unlikely) the chain is shy of oil or a poor grade of bar oil (Post #8) and then chain starts to fight in its' rivets and bind up from lack of flexibility (post #12) . Is the chain loose/flexible in the rivets after it has ran? I think the Air Filter and Combobbolator are merely masking the real culprit/Issue.
The 2nd bar pic shows a long stretch of damage that appears like iron grating across iron and indicative to a very dry surface, even though the damage leads you to think it is chain chatter.
Like the first word in the post says "GRASPING"

 

[Al Smith]

As far as that goes I have some of the last of the .404 by .058 Carlton chisel chain Baileys ever sold .The 48" bar on the avatar saw is a hard nosed .058 groove McCulloch branded .As far as that wear pattern on the bars from my perspective it's just typical no matter who made the bar .Turn the oiler up to wide open ,might help .

 

[ferris]

Grasping for ideas at this point So to toss in a few more combobbolators. Are all the bars doing this on the same saw, or more than one powerhead? My odd dimension of thought is if it is one saw then possibly(unlikely) the chain is shy of oil or a poor grade of bar oil (Post #8) and then chain starts to fight in its' rivets and bind up from lack of flexibility (post #12) . Is the chain loose/flexible in the rivets after it has ran? I think the Air Filter and Combobbolator are merely masking the real culprit/Issue.
The 2nd bar pic shows a long stretch of damage that appears like iron grating across iron and indicative to a very dry surface, even though the damage leads you to think it is chain chatter.
Like the first word in the post says "GRASPING"

I am using canola oil.
the 36bar only runs on a ported 064. but the 25bar runs on the 064 and 462.
Not sure if this problem is only on the 064 or on both. But with 3/8 chain on a 28“ bar I have no problems
@Al Smith all pumps are wide open

 

[ferris]

If it's. 404 its only .063 gauge. My guess is it's the different model narrow nose sprocket..never heard of one until tonight, and never saw something like that until tonight, so ferris that tells me something. And I'm surrounded by .404 guys where I live. No issues.

Which bars are they using?

 

[Normzilla]

Which bars are they using?

Stihl, Oregon, cannon, etc

 

[ferris]

Stihl, Oregon, cannon, etc

Are u talking about saws with 70-90cc or 120cc. Because the bars for the 880 are wider /bigger then the bars for the smaller saws

 

[Normzilla]

Are u talking about saws with 70-90cc or 120cc. Because the bars for the 880 are wider /bigger then the bars for the smaller saws

I'm not sure what u are trying to ask? I stated I have never known of .404 in anything less than .063 gauge. And never saw a tip malfunction like that so quick. So I'm saying tip is no good. I'm also not sure what saws or neck of the woods you are running in, but we are running same chain regardless of ccs

I have seen requests for .058 gage .404 . It must be hard to find (OLDER STUFF???) maybe the bar is .058. But that doesn't explain other bars acting up.

Not sure always was told around here, only .063 but we never really had anything in .058 so never know, especially in other parts of the country.

 

[Partner]

we have 0.058 0.404

 

[Al Smith]

Not sure always was told around here, only .063 but we never really had anything in .058 so never know, especially in other parts of the country.

On that I was given a 10 series McCulloch 32" bar ..050 slot ..404 sprocket which I changed the nose to 3/8" . I assume that bar was used on the west coast for soft woods second growth stuff and most likely on 82 CC Mac saws . Also the 48" hard nose on my avatar saw is .058 slot hard nose with .404 chain .
.058 in.404 is rare to find and in .050 nearly impossible to find .
Interesting thing about the 48" as it came from Ohio ,NOS McCulloch from an area near the Ohio river and Indiana border long known for large oak trees and from the time period used on large reed valve chainsaws .Those were days long before the large Stihl like the 084 and Husky 3120's .Not many were made smaller than over 100 ccs' could pull a bar that long .

 

[Normzilla]

On that I was given a 10 series McCulloch 32" bar ..050 slot ..404 sprocket which I changed the nose to 3/8" . I assume that bar was used on the west coast for soft woods second growth stuff and most likely on 82 CC Mac saws . Also the 48" hard nose on my avatar saw is .058 slot hard nose with .404 chain .
.058 in.404 is rare to find and in .050 nearly impossible to find .
Interesting thing about the 48" as it came from Ohio ,NOS McCulloch from an area near the Ohio river and Indiana border long known for large oak trees and from the time period used on large reed valve chainsaws .Those were days long before the large Stihl like the 084 and Husky 3120's .Not many were made smaller than over 100 ccs' could pull a bar that long .

Awesome sounds like big big wood

 

[av8or3]

Ok fellers , I ran one tank thru the 500i yesterday using this converted light bar and a Stihl 10 tooth .404 tip identical to @ferris setup and got the same results. For some reason the sprocket doesn’t support the chain Long Enough.
Or maybe the tip is made a little wide/tall at that point for some reason.

 

[av8or3]

This damage occurred on the bottom cutting side of the bar with no corresponding damage in the same spot above it. I’m going to dress the tip as I go along and I bet once the tip is contoured to suit it , it will stop. Have no choice really if I want to continue running it. (.404)

 

[av8or3]

Ok, here’s another example to ponder. This will have everyone checking their Stihl 3002 mounts. Lol. This is my 30” 3002 in .404 of course. It is displaying the same wear as has been pointed out on our lightweight 3003 bars. It could just be a .404 thing. Only chain ever run on this was Stihl RS.
This bar has been run on several real torque monsters with more than a few tanks of fuel consumed. We may have to expect these 3003 .404 set ups to wear more quickly , they’re simply not as robust as the 3002 bars are. Tips, bars , everything.
That will work for me as I’m not a timber faller and I really only use my saw for pleasure. If you have replace this stuff frequently, it would get expensive.

 

[av8or3]

Makes me wonder if any 3003 .404 mounts (bars) are available from Stihl at all?
I don’t own any.

 

[Maintenance Chief]

Bottom of the 661 line.