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[rocketnorton]

I will definitely be following this, I can't wait to see more. This is indeed a very rare and cool car.

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[MustangMike]

The 427 Ford had the same crank as a 390, I think bore & stroke were 4.23 & 3.78 respectively. I think the 427 Ford motor had the broadest racing success of any motor ... successful in NASCAR (I think Ford won 69 with it), competed well against the Hemi's at the track (Mickey Thompson's Funny Car was first to break 200 MPH with one), and won the 24 Hours of Lemans against the Ferrari's 3 or 4 years in a row (swept 1966 finishing 1,2 &3 and then won a few more years w/o factory sponsorship).

They guy that owned that 440 ended up pulling it out of the Satellite, sold the car, and had the motor "built" by one of our GM friends, who added larger GM valves in the heads. He then put it in a Duster and ran mid 10s in the 1/4.

 

[jasper89]

Mustang Mike: Did you race at Dover Drag Strip?

 

[MustangMike]

Yes I did, had my 427 Boss 302 body Mustang there a few times.

Boy, that is going back a few years, where ya from?

 

[Lee H]

Here ya go Don, Looky the size of them ports. Almost the size of a beer can.









Here's the original Holley 780 Carb Joe Bunitec restored

 

[sawfun]

Here ya go Mike, Looky the size of them ports. Almost the size of a beer can.









Here's the original Holley 780 Carb Joe Bunitec restored

Them tunnel ports is way bigger than the "high risers". Nice enough Lee, I never knew anyone who had those. Too bad they weren't used on the Cobra 427's. Did those come after the medium and high risers? It seems to me the "Cammers" had big intake ports like that as well.

 

[jasper89]

Yes I did, had my 427 Boss 302 body Mustang there a few times.

Boy, that is going back a few years, where ya from?

Originally from Mahopac, grew up there and spent a total of about 30 years there. So I spent quite a few Sundays at Dover and many Saturday nights at the Danbury Racearena!

 

[Lee H]

Don these came way after the 427's died. This motor is a 1970. The first
year for the 429 cobrajet and super cobrajet. The scj's were carried into
the 1971 year but in Mustangs and possibly Mercury cyclones only. Gone
after that. I would love to find a nice original 1971 Mustang with this
429 SCJ motor with 4 speed. just over 600 were produced. Not sure how
many of them were 4 speed versus auto's.

 

[p61 western]

Here ya go Don, Looky the size of them ports. Almost the size of a beer can.









Here's the original Holley 780 Carb Joe Bunitec restored

Great pics thanks for sharing.

 

[sawfun]

Don these came way after the 427's died. This motor is a 1970. The first
year for the 429 cobrajet and super cobrajet. The scj's were carried into
the 1971 year but in Mustangs and possibly Mercury cyclones only. Gone
after that. I would love to find a nice original 1971 Mustang with this
429 SCJ motor with 4 speed. just over 600 were produced. Not sure how
many of them were 4 speed versus auto's.

Thanks Lee, I thought that was a 428 with very rare tunnel ports. I know the 429's had them. A lot of brakes racers preferred the smaller ports on the 80's. I was told the Cobra Jet had smaller ports compared to the Super Cobra Jets. Even the standard ports weren't exactly small. Forgive a Chevy & Hemi guys ignorance. I did help build a few Fords, but only a few.

 

[Lee H]

No problem Don as we all are learning.
The 429CJ and the SCJ shared the same DOOE-R heads as pictured.
I never played with the Mopars but did with the Chevys a bit. My 69
Chevelle is a factory SS396 with the original L78 375 horser. Solid
lifter cam, 11-1 comp, 780 Holley on top of the Winters aluminum intake
mounted to the 840 rectangular intake port heads with a 4 bolt block
and steel crank. Although the car still needs a full restoration.

 

[Cigmaker]

How the heck to yall remember all this chit? I forgot what I had for lunch yesterday lol. My favorite has four wheel drums.... who cares if we stop gotta win to worry about that.

 

[MustangMike]

When you and your brother were about the ONLY Ford guys in the area, YOU REMEMBERED EVERYTHING!

Keep in mind, back then, no aftermarket heads, etc, etc. You had to keep track of what parts interchanged, and what parts did not, and Fords were tough! For example, I ran 428 SCJ heads on my 427 Low Riser, they would not have worked on a Medium Riser or High Riser (they had larger compression chambers). The 428 heads had the same valves and combustion chamber as a low riser 427, but with 427 Medium Riser Ports.

The 429/460 was a whole different engine family, nothing interchanged with the earlier FE engines.

351 engines had the same bore spacing as 289/302, so you could steal the heads (and use pop up pistons), but the 351 Windsor engines had the same water ports, 351 Cleveland heads did not, so you would have to drill them to use them. 302 Boss heads were basically 351 Cleveland 4 bbl heads (the 2 bbl heads were smaller), but with windsor water ports to work on the Boss 302.

Lee, those ports are HUGE, you could block them half off and still would need more carb to use em!

When I got the 427 short block for $300, the guy had a set of Tunnel Port 427 heads, huge oval intakes with the push rod sleeves going right through the middle of them. But he wanted $1,500 for them, and that was unaffordable to me.

Factoid! Almost all FE blocks were stamped "352" including my 427!

FYI, that 427 short block was a 1966 cross bolted main, side oiler, Holman & Moody seasoned block with the crank trued (cut 10 & 20, I found out the hard way after I ordered bearings for it). You could ONLY run a solid lifter cam in it, was not drilled for hydraulic lifters.

 

[p61 western]

When you and your brother were about the ONLY Ford guys in the area, YOU REMEMBERED EVERYTHING!

Keep in mind, back then, no aftermarket heads, etc, etc. You had to keep track of what parts interchanged, and what parts did not, and Fords were tough! For example, I ran 428 SCJ heads on my 427 Low Riser, they would not have worked on a Medium Riser or High Riser (they had larger compression chambers). The 428 heads had the same valves and combustion chamber as a low riser 427, but with 427 Medium Riser Ports.

The 429/460 was a whole different engine family, nothing interchanged with the earlier FE engines.

351 engines had the same bore spacing as 289/302, so you could steal the heads (and use pop up pistons), but the 351 Windsor engines had the same water ports, 351 Cleveland heads did not, so you would have to drill them to use them. 302 Boss heads were basically 351 Cleveland 4 bbl heads (the 2 bbl heads were smaller), but with windsor water ports to work on the Boss 302.

Lee, those ports are HUGE, you could block them half off and still would need more carb to use em!

When I got the 427 short block for $300, the guy had a set of Tunnel Port 427 heads, huge oval intakes with the push rod sleeves going right through the middle of them. But he wanted $1,500 for them, and that was unaffordable to me.

Factoid! Almost all FE blocks were stamped "352" including my 427!

FYI, that 427 short block was a 1966 cross bolted main, side oiler, Holman & Moody seasoned block with the crank trued (cut 10 & 20, I found out the hard way after I ordered bearings for it). You could ONLY run a solid lifter cam in it, was not drilled for hydraulic lifters.

Wow lots of good info great post.

 

[MustangMike]

Originally from Mahopac, grew up there and spent a total of about 30 years there.

Grew up in town of Cortland, across Rte 6 from where the Cortland Mall is now (I used to hunt there). Went to Lakeland HS (class of 70).

Did you know Bobby Brasee?? Most people into high performance Chevys knew him, used to run Roe Park Sunoco. He bought & sold performance GM cars from around the country, and his 55 Chevy was in Hot Rod magazine 3 times.

What years did you live there? Do you remember Polo's, the Thirsty Whale or Duchy's Den?

 

[MustangMike]

Wow lots of good info great post.

Tasca Ford developed the 428 CJ head. They wanted to put 427 Medium Riser heads on the 428 Police Interceptor (PI) to race it. The PI had 390 heads, and they were too small. But the 428 has a smaller bore than the 427, so the medium riser heads would not fit, so they used low riser heads with Medium Riser ports, and the 428 CJ was born!

 

[sawfun]

I did see a picture of an FE tunnel ports head that a tennis ball would almost fir in the intake port. It kinda reminds me of my Brad Anderson Hemi heads, except their ports weren't round. 2 & 3/8 intakes 2.05 exhausts.

 

[MustangMike]

The 428 CJ was introduced in a few year end 68 Mustangs, and they offered a Drag Pack option, the first Mustang with staggered rear shocks (which were carried over to the later Boss Mustangs). That car won the Winter Nationals.

Most people don't realize it, but almost all of the 67 & 68 Shelby GT-500s had PI motors in them, and could not handle one 4 bbl, much less two! The exception was the 68 KR model, which had the CJ heads and ran very strong.

 

[sawfun]

Didn't the 68 GT 350 come with a supercharger option? I would seem that should have been a fast number if the boost was decent.

I remember having good octane gas with lead in it. My buddy had a 64 Mustang with a 351 Windsor and 12:1 compression mild cam and Streetmaster intake. He beat several 12 second cars and got 20 mpg. But he also had to fill his water injection tank every 12 miles or so. That car would get rubber hard in all 4 gears.

I cut my teeth on tons of big block Chevys that were cheap during the second gas crisis. I built very few small blocks when 396's & 454's were so plentiful, 427's never were. A lot found there way into Novas' Camaro's, and Chevelle's/ElCamino's. I bought a built 11 second big block 68 Camaro for $1200 that got 18 mpg. and a halfway restored 65 409 400 hp Impala for $1500 that had factory cruise control. 348's & 409's weren't easy to get parts for but we're fairly cheap.

Before Nostalgia drag racing, 354's & 392 Chryslers were cheap as well as everybody had gone to the 426 style engine by the mid 80's.

I remember a guy In Woodland Wa. had a complete "427 Cammer" under a tarp in a barn that he wanted $7500 around 1983 or so. But I was young and more interested in his Lenco transmission for sale that I needed to go in my funny car.

 

[Adirondackstihl]

A very good friend of mine has an all original GT500 KR in his garage less than 1/2 mi from where I work
VERY good shape!
Lighter / pale shade of yellow