MS361 is any 60cc saw better in stock form? Opinions

[lehman live edge slab]

Not to start something but the Stihl was definitely faster than the echo, not a ton but was faster and dragging more bar and chain. 16” vs 20” I’m guessing?

 

[drf256]

Only have a vid of a ported one some Hack did.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

In the first video I think more of a difference then the second one between saws. Does the echo gain quite a bit from a muffler mod? I’ve never ran one in fact I think I’ve ran two echos my whole life not very popular up here. I do know the 362 gains a bunch after the muffler work.

 

[lehman live edge slab]

I’ve only run 2 ms361’s and a bunch of 362’s I do like the 2 piece muffler on some of the 362’s much better for modifying though.

 

[Lightning Performance]

My 362 came with a one piece hollow can and is still a single port muffler modded at the exit. No way my caged up stock muffler 361 with the dual port will hang with it. The dual port with the cage sips fuel. It has screens and the factory port hole is stock.
The muffler being a dual port and hollow makes a huge difference in the way they run and let off the heat man, dissipate da heat mun!

 

[Derf]

A stock 6100 wasn’t any faster than the stock 357xp I compared it to. It did have a bit more grunt, while the 357 has more rpms. I do hate the small bar mount on both of them. Medium mount stihl or large mount husky I prefer. The echos take a odd and inconvenient bar mount. The 590 has great torque for bucking, but it’s not as responsive for limbing and topping as some. 60cc needs to be good at both.

That’s interesting Mason. The 254/357/262 shootout showed the 262 was fastest, but not by much compared to a 357; although both the 262 and 357 were non stock.

Also, a stock 562 is pretty well agreed to be faster than a stock 262. And although I don’t have experience with Dolmar, I’ve seen several people claim the 6100 has more torque and is faster than a 562.

So to say a 6100 @ 61cc isn’t any faster than a 357xp @ 56.5cc is really saying something, but kind of ignores the whole 262/562 being faster than a 357 and slower than a 6100.

 

[Nutball]

You get a good bit more from a 590 muffler mod. They are very restricted.

 

[huskyboy]

That’s interesting Mason. The 254/357/262 shootout showed the 262 was fastest, but not by much compared to a 357; although both the 262 and 357 were non stock.

Also, a stock 562 is pretty well agreed to be faster than a stock 262. And although I don’t have experience with Dolmar, I’ve seen several people claim the 6100 has more torque and is faster than a 562.

So to say a 6100 @ 61cc isn’t any faster than a 357xp @ 56.5cc is really saying something, but kind of ignores the whole 262/562 being faster than a 357 and slower than a 6100.

Cuts that are within a second of each other are well within the margin of error imo.

 

[Nutball]

Cuts that are within a second of each other are well within the margin of error imo.

I'll remember that next time I race someone

 

[Lightning Performance]

Cuts that are within a second of each other are well within the margin of error imo.

Muffler gut, dual ports and a gasket delete....those have to be the biggest two mods on most pro saws to wake them up. Few saws don't respond well to those mods. 361 does very well with those two mods.
Clamshells need a slight timing bump or a big bump sometimes.
Even fewer saws need a carb increase. 361 does need more carb ported but we all know the intake system is the restriction. I'm about done working that out. None of us have been happy with the angle of a boot change using current offerings. The carb swap was the easy part. Getting it to flow right was another story.

 

[huskyboy]

I'll remember that next time I race someone

Winning by 1 second and winning by 10 seconds are two different things.

 

[brushwacker]

There’s no way a 590 will out cut a 361. My dad has a 590 although a decent saw it’s not close to the 361 anywhere

Fine tuning, carb out to rich, air filter not clean, maybe its down on compression .

 

[Derf]

Cuts that are within a second of each other are well within the margin of error imo.

The differences are more apparent in larger wood. I suppose a 6100 wouldn’t seem faster than a 357xp cutting 6” limbs. Try comparing the two in something bigger next time.

 

[sunfish]

562xp is the most impressive stock saw I've ever run! Open the muffler up & damn!

 

[Backtroller]

They get loud quick though. I opened mine up under the factory deflector and she picked up both in power and loudness. It probably helped with heat too.

Mine was a 2014 with the el44 carb. Never had a problem with it. Idled and reved nicely. I cut with it on the hottest, humid days and always restarted.

 

[sunfish]

They get loud quick though. I opened mine up under the factory deflector and she picked up both in power and loudness. It probably helped with heat too.

Mine was a 2014 with the el44 carb. Never had a problem with it. Idled and reved nicely. I cut with it on the hottest, humid days and always restarted.

Mine's a first year model, 2011 I think & never a single issue with it. Not a ton of hours on it, but using it more lately than ever before.

 

[Backtroller]

Maybe mine was a 2012, all these dates run together lol. I do know that it was a el44 carb and that carb was great and never gave me a problem.

I sold my 6100 because I had the 562 at the time. I ran both 20” and 24” on it. It ran both with authority.

 

[Duck]

Here’s a 361, 362v2, 462View attachment 211409 462 on left then 362View attachment 211406
Then for the weights and measures crew 362View attachment 211407 361View attachment 211408462View attachment 211401

It’s interesting that someone earlier in the thread mentioned that the 362 is too close in size to the 462. When I look at these pictures, the 462 looks significantly larger in size next to the 362.

 

[pwheel]

There just isn’t anything in the 60cc class right now that I could see myself going away from the 361 and ported 2159 I have in that C.C. right now....

If you prefer a manual tune carb in a proven saw, the ms361 and 262xp are probably as good as they come in the 60cc class. If auto tune, fewer emissions, & better fuel economy are required, I suppose the newer saws have advantages. I use saws mostly for thinning & firewood on our 21 acres, so old school is good enough.

 

[Lightning Performance]

If you prefer a manual tune carb in a proven saw, the ms361 and 262xp are probably as good as they come in the 60cc class. If auto tune, fewer emissions, & better fuel economy are required, I suppose the newer saws have advantages. I use saws mostly for thinning & firewood on our 21 acres, so old school is good enough.

Old school has always been, good enough. Carry a small screwdriver and know how to use it. Mtron is better imo than not. Autotune seems good now also.