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  1. ~WBF

    ~WBF Thecallofthewildanswered1989-2017[PAID IN FULL!]

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    This is random pic's and video's we can Critique together.

    Critiquing is not negative, just honest.
    It may be full of very nice things to say.

    Pretty sure there will be plenty of dog meat to go around for us mutts.

    You give credit where credit is due.

    Maybe reframe from grabbing 15 min vids of the worst of the worst ... I am sure there is plenty of average to Pro material out there. It can double as a learning tool as well.
     
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    beaglebriar Mastermind Approved!

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    Discuss...lol

     
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    ~WBF Thecallofthewildanswered1989-2017[PAID IN FULL!]

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    So far I have watched about 30 sec and I am impressed. he knows he is dealing with sap rot. (I see it to) and a good site assessment.
    I'm liking it.

    Back to the show
     
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    Deets066 AKA Deetsey

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    I don’t have many vids of me dropping trees. Here is one I’ve posted before.
     
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    ~WBF Thecallofthewildanswered1989-2017[PAID IN FULL!]

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    I will start with a few things.

    Good site assessments identifying sap rot and sign of natural damage.
    Sap wood identified but not assessed.
    -Assess depth of softness.
    No adjustments made such as more holding wood. reckless approach.
    No wedges set at back of tree.
    Needs to slow down. There is no need to be in that kind of rush. Could have spent a few more sec at the first stump and avoided that whole situation. Fallers are killed by there own hang ups. Fast does not mean good. You have got to be good first.
    The tree was safely lodged and the 'faller' wasn't comfortable taking it down so that was a good decision. If in places it has to come down then get someone confident in to remove hazard.

    Set a wedge and wedge from the back of tree Especially wedge at the back when sap rot is present. It is eating at your strongest wood. Seems a lot of denial as to what caused the holding wood to crack and why the tree was lost. Like as to say it was unavoidable? We no that's not true. The 'faller' still did not slow down on the trees second or third tree or set wedges. no adjustments were made. Again in a rush reaching in with one hand to brush out the undercut apex as saw is just stoping spinning. 'Reach ins' were a little fast.
    Undercut was cleaned nicely with care.
    Certainly saw skills are there , no doubt. Showed some knowledge.
    The rest comes down to attitude.
    I see an easy adjustment. just comes down to the individuals choice.

    Good example of good and bad.[/QUOTE]
     
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    huskihl Sausage Fingers Forever

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    I don't think anybody could understand your first post. They just saw the title and started posting vids:campeon::campeon:
     
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    Deets066 AKA Deetsey

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    Vid I posted was me, one thread is probly fine. Just critique the same across the board
     
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    ~WBF Thecallofthewildanswered1989-2017[PAID IN FULL!]

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    comprehension is not big on a chainsaw site. Haha Ok man


    Roger! Fixed. Let me look at the vid again. Saw sounded good in the wood
     
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    ~WBF Thecallofthewildanswered1989-2017[PAID IN FULL!]

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    Nobody else wants to start so I guess I will go first.

    Always start with something nice to say.

    Like. I love what you have done with your hair ...is it real steel in it? Cause that's pretty manly.

    Then of course substance in the middle.
    AKA "the crap" and end with something nice.


    That saw has a nice throaty sound in the wood. Big saw and bar and some dinky little wedge. Showed good use of wedges.
    "Cut, wedge, cut, wedge." You checked corner, very good! Watch leaving axe in your path. Thought it was strange that the wedge was set and you are holding on to the wedge and swinging the axe. You must have steel gloves on? You looked up and it appeared on your escape you looked back and up. good√ Flat cuts√ good cuts√
    Personally with a stump that low then I would take a knee or two. Its more comfortable and you are not such a big target and its easy to look up in an erect position. Also from that position I can lean right back onto my hand or kick my feet out one way or the other for a sec and sight through my undercut and compare angle with my bar. Providing one does not have a bypass cut or has chased their undercut on the far side. Then I can fall the tree confidently or finish cutting and shut down and wedge.

    Hand Position = body position. Get used to cutting that side with right hand forward too. you should be opposite what you would do an the other side Its usually easier to lean back and sight off the end of your saw from there when sighting through the undercut and you are further up the hill by a steep.

    This also doesn't put your back to the direction of the fall.
    The other reason is if you face your saw sight line and you have a reference mark that it lines up with (memorised) then it keeps you in orientation with your back to undercut. You may not have the other two option either. (Down a hill on a low cut side hill) Often I don't have any of the three options on side hill. J-hook Ceder growing out of the bank below me so you can't check far corner or sight through undercut nor can you sight line. You have to remember position of under cut. Its a position feeling that you remember on a smaller tree.

    You can get away with left hand forward from that side for a while until the cut becomes higher and higher then you would have no choice. It's fast on the small undercuts because I can aim and cut in one shot. If its a real big undercut then I may go back to left hand forward if there is ground to plant my left foot but I start right hand then end right hand..behind my site lines.


    Am I forgetting something?


    Is it time for me to close with something nice?

    All in all, really good job. Great cuts and good habits.

    *Edit
     
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    Wonkydonkey Pinnacle OPE Member

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    liking this thread already, I think I’m gonna learn me some knowledgeable stuffs from you guys. :clapclap:
     
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    ~WBF Thecallofthewildanswered1989-2017[PAID IN FULL!]

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    Well don't let the cat get your tongues. The more the merrier.
    Besides I am TOO slow of a writer.

    If you have things to learn, you will learn. Do your part one way of the other.

    Post material or critique. Could be a lot of fun. Eventually you guys get to critique me.
     
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    Wonkydonkey Pinnacle OPE Member

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    Yes I could write about what I thought of those two other vids, but I’ve things todo this morning, so I thought I’d get one upto YouTube and let peeps see it while I’m out.
    Almost finished uploading now.

    16” bar on a 461. Tryin to do a danish pie. Doh, I undercut the wedge. :rolleyes:
    Hell I even do a little dance around the elm. :dancer2:
    I milled the elm aftwards



    Edit, I will have to upload again, for some reason it ended short (missed the leaver fell)
     
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    Damn..... all of that actually made sense to me. Lol

    Very good points, haven’t done much falling lately but will keep that in mind going forward. Thanks bud
     
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    ~WBF Thecallofthewildanswered1989-2017[PAID IN FULL!]

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    My pleasure. It keeps me relevant.
    What else would I have? Just bad jokes is what.. (steel gloves?) Lol
    'Nobody swaps hands. Its something you have to be taught. Most people don't learn it unless they go production fall steep ground and you get exposed.

    Anyway I was editing when you read it.

    If you take it from " Hand position = body position" I added in about orientating to you back cut with your saw sight line when facing the direction of fall. In this case right hand to front handle.
    That will tie it all in together for you & others. Its all about using everything to advantage us. Doesn't take long to adapt and your game goes up levels fast.
     
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    mdavlee Hillbilly grinder

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    Small intentional Dutchman. There was a power line right behind it. Just needed it to twist a hair to go across the driveway.



    This one shows being uncomfortable with the other hand on the handlebar. I can do it now but that was several years back.

     
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    leadfarmer Hot Rod !!!

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    Uhh, I I’ve tried 3 times to upload the full vid, it just falls short at the end (it not on YouTube) I guess I will just up load the end bit, should have done it before instead of faffing tho whole darn thing
     
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    ~WBF Thecallofthewildanswered1989-2017[PAID IN FULL!]

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    The first one was all thumbs up. I see you picking fav sides. I sure have done my share of that in the early days. I see you did the under cut from one side and the back cut from the other. The Chit you can get away with then you know how to level you bar eh? Still a needed skill, we do it all. Like you said, Things have changed in two years. You are another one with the axe in your road. lolz

    Vid #2) This is a good example cutting from the left side.(wrongly) I can relate to you on this one. We came from the same place. Video #1 I wouldn't do a low Humboldt from the left side with wrap handles. I would only do high ones like Video #2. and always messed them up by going steep like 55° - to 60° and go way to high up on my far side with the dogs. They were small tree too. On the right side I did 26° - 30° Text book humboldt
    That's when I was doing the angle cut first. left hand forward, back to the fall, and no aim, no direction. Started dialing it in a bit then went back to flat cut first and then getting behind my sight lines. Once I got the right hand forward from the left side. A completely different animal. With little trees say 12", no need for dogs on that undercut. Get behind your sight line and aim and pull it in 4" and you are in position for your back cut with out moving your feet. dogs in corner of mouth and you will be still orientated for the under cut angle through falling sight and familiar position feeling. You don't even have to look. I prefer the left side. because I do get to swap hands. It's more rewarding.
    I could see you where trying to take your training wheels off for a second with right hand forward. I know that feeling.
    Like you said things have come on in two years.
    I just finished talked about the same scenerio as your Video #2 its all about working behind your sight lines..
    A little hard to work a big axe at height.
    I love the sleek 10" K&H and wood handle axe. Those are the one that do the heavy lifting. (All the lifting)
    about 22" 3.5 lb. I like.
    Good wedging and cutting together√
    Good cuts, cleaned out√
    You placement seemed a little out for me anyway. Granted, I use a smaller axe and I am used to hitting on angles to miss the one tight to it when needed. I like to use a lot of wedges like you. I don't mess. You had one set on the 'corner' ,A bit heavier lifting there. Faster lifting ratio. You didn't maximise the wedges but It went over pretty easy.
    For me I would have put when centre and one each side tight. I would have set them by using one wedge to tap them. Then palm the third and pick up the axe. now you only have to move a few inches and a few angles.. Hit two front ones..far one...front ones...far one.. front one...far one... middle..

    Yeah Mike, You do good work man.
    I can so relate. to the fav side. One thing you will always have over me in my mind? I remember me ten time behind these vids working from the left side. that's true.
     
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    mdavlee Hillbilly grinder

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    I think that one video was 5-6 years ago now actuall

    That 2nd had another sycamore intertwined in the stump is the reason for the tall cut. It had been cut long before I cut that one.

    I really like that lifter rafting axe for small work like that. It is 3.5 lbs. I have a 5 lb Council with a 28” handle as well. It will splatter a wedge if you don’t hit it square. K&H stick in hardwood in the winter better than anything else I’ve tried.

    I have tried to do the face cuts and back cut from the same spot and can do it a lot better now and use my right hand on the wrap. It’s been almost a year now since I’ve done any falling besides brush work. I’d like to go cut a couple semi loads just to get some practice in again.
     
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    czar800 Here For The Long Haul!

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    This was a big old ugly maple that I’ve wanted to take out for years. It was a extremely off balance. That a 36” bar on my 660.

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