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Discussion in 'Chainsaws' started by Derf, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:17 PM.

  1. Derf

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    True, but these saws are really only valuable if you build the saw for yourself at that. It's super hard to sell these saws afterwards, compared to if you rebuild an oem for several reasons. First, farmertec's customer service is circling the drain lately when customers request replacement parts by essentially running us around town until we give up asking. Don't get me wrong, I love my ms361 kit I built from them (when it works), but going forward that is not a road I intend on going down again. Fasteners are super soft and other parts line carb boots, that are supposed to be flexible, get insanely hard in cold weather and end up causing run lean conditions. I'm all for aftermarket parts, but the quality I have seen is not impressive usually. I wasn't paying much attention, but did the price for used 066/660's really fall much when the clones were widely introduced into the market? For all the time and extra money outside of the kit, I am better off buying a used HD Makita saw and either fixing it, or even building it up to a 7910. Huztl/Farmertec had me hooked at first, but I'm falling away quickly, and they are going to have to do more to convince me to get another saw from them.
     
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    Wont happen this time around I can tell you that.
     
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    Just a disposable saw. Cut a few limbs and when it stops working throw it away.
     
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    That could be steels new moto...
     
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    Why NOT reliable? The 660 kits they sell are getting good reports, even when built and run by tree service companies.

    Any all parts will (should) swap out with Stihl OEM if you need to replace a weak / broken part.

    And as for customer service, it’s a made in China company. They aren’t doing customer service because they don’t need to. You pay for customer service at a dealership, where they stock replacement parts and fix *s-word for you. If you want to cut out that middle man and save some money then order direct form the OEM. But I wouldn’t have any expectation for “customer service” on replacement parts.
     
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    Much too difficult for the Chinese to steal, copy and get it right.
     
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    Nor do they care to judging by the finished product. No comparison between cheep Chinese and OEM.
     
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    More Chinese crap.
     
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    They are not as reliable as I would like them to be in my opinion. A lot of that has to do with me taking it on several jobs and not having it either start or run right. While I don't expect it to be a direct replacement for oem, I do expect the quality to be a little bit higher. Parts are hit and miss with them. I have had good results with some, but not all parts. The poor quality intake boot caused some minor cylinder scoring before I was able to catch it. Honestly with all I have spent on the saw so far on oem lines, filters, decomp, ect... I am about even price wise with a used oem at this point, not including the time it took to build it. I have had excellent customer service with some Chinese companies, and Huztl was not one of them. I'm fine with using select aftermarket parts, but I don't think I will be building another copy in the immediate future.
     
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    I'll never quite understand why one will buy an AM kit saw and then pick and choose a few OEM parts to put on it. It would cost less to just buy a used OEM product. And then you get the real thing and it has a higher likelihood of being reliable. Why all the dicking with AM kits?
     
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    It's a wishful thinking for those who dont like how much an MS 200 is worth.
    There is 3 saws out there who just keep their value year after year, Stihl MS 200, Husky 242 and 288, no china clone will change the status to those saws.
     
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    It might even keep the price of the genuine OEM ms 200T saws high or even a little higher. Folks will often pay just that bit more for a proven genuine item if there are fakes or clones out there of the same thing.
     
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    What will be not so nice is when you see a perfectly serviceable genuine 200T polluted with Chinese parts all over it.:facepalm: On a serious note I can't wait till some cull sends his Chinese 200T to the Lonewolf for a complete 'going over' & he goes over it with a skidder.
     
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    I have seen them the aftermarket cyl is total junk and don't make much compression, the cases would not match up enough to form an airtight seal and I tossed them, the crank bearings are very loose, the intake boots are real junk and the crankshafts I have seen fail . Some plastic can be used on the outside of the saw with success though but OEM on the engine only is best. Stihl already uses carbs for this saw from China I had great results with one batch of China carbs that looked suspiciously like the ones on the saw.
     
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    Fred,
    bout the only comparison between an 066 and a 200t commercial use wise is that they are both "Stihls"
    a 200t is constantly, daily, all day long asked to do more then its designed to. NO other saw gets whomped on like a 200t in a bucket or in a saddle. its a 14" chain cutting 20" branches all day long getting pinched and pulled by a guy who would much rather be safe on the ground running that cheap Chinese 066 . unless you are stumping all day long the reliability of a 066 is less critical then a 200t.
    you'll likely not get to use that 066 unless the 200t does its job first.

    200t HAS to be right or the kids don't eat tonight.

    but for an average firewood guy who occasionally uses a tophandle in the yard....NP
     
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    There is a hugely disturbing number of people who think a top handle is ideal for this....
     
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