New Tractor needs a new winch and grapple

XP_Slinger · Mar 18, 2019

A few videos of it in action. I’ve yet to run my tractor at 540 PTO RPM when pulling logs. I’m usually at or under 1,500rpm, 540 is 2200rpm on my tractor. The winch just pulls hard.

The clutch slipping was my fault, was still getting a feel for the winch in this video.

Get a self releasing snatch block, they are awesome.

Little stuff like this doesn’t even work the winch.

Dustin4185 · Mar 18, 2019

XP_Slinger said:
A few videos of it in action. I’ve yet to run my tractor at 540 PTO RPM when pulling logs. I’m usually at or under 1,500rpm, 540 is 2200rpm on my tractor. The winch just pulls hard.

The clutch slipping was my fault, was still getting a feel for the winch in this video.

Get a self releasing snatch block, they are awesome.

Little stuff like this doesn’t even work the winch.

I forgot you were the one that bought that JD 301. Great industrial tractors.

XP_Slinger · Mar 18, 2019

Dustin4185 said:
I forgot you were the one that bought that JD 301. Great industrial tractors.

I forgot you were the guy that had experience with one when I was buying it...lol!

It’s been a great machine so far. Only problem has been the 3 point, hunts when using the loader if there’s weight on it. Ordered a seal kit for the rock shaft cylinder today.

Dustin4185 · Mar 18, 2019

XP_Slinger said:
I forgot you were the guy that had experience with one when I was buying it...lol!

It’s been a great machine so far. Only problem has been the 3 point, hunts when using the loader if there’s weight on it. Ordered a seal kit for the rock shaft cylinder today.

That is common with those. That should fix it as long as the piston isn’t scarred. It isn’t TOO bad to change it out. We are about to drop the tail off of a McCormick MTX 135 for a PTO clutch repair. Going to be a pain in the testicles.

Marshy · Mar 18, 2019

I was going to build myself a log winch from a 10,000 lb Garwood pto winch. I decided to abandon that ideal. It can be done but would be giving up a lot of conveniences. I found a slightly used M35 uniforest winch that I'm considering buying. I actually used it and cut wood for the guy so I know its history. Still, it's only $500 less retail...

XP_Slinger · Mar 19, 2019

Marshy said:
I was going to build myself a log winch from a 10,000 lb Garwood pto winch. I decided to abandon that ideal. It can be done but would be giving up a lot of conveniences. I found a slightly used M35 uniforest winch that I'm considering buying. I actually used it and cut wood for the guy so I know its history. Still, it's only $500 less retail...

I saw a 35 M on Craigslist or FB not long ago that looked dang near new...that the one?

How’ve you been Wade?

XP_Slinger · Mar 19, 2019

Dustin4185 said:
That is common with those. That should fix it as long as the piston isn’t scarred. It isn’t TOO bad to change it out. We are about to drop the tail off of a McCormick MTX 135 for a PTO clutch repair. Going to be a pain in the testicles.

Yup doesn’t seem like too bad of a job. Just hope I don’t find any cracks in the housing. Doubtful by the way it’s acting. First time I pick it up for the day it always chatters (air) and works great for a bout the first 30 minutes of operation. As the fluid gets up to temp it slowly starts hunting. Can also hear the fluid hissing in the rockshaft cover when it’s good and hot, and pump is laboring to keep the hitch up. Shouldn’t do that at all, once up should be held in place by trapped fluid

Marshy · Mar 19, 2019

XP_Slinger said:
I saw a 35 M on Craigslist or FB not long ago that looked dang near new...that the one?

How’ve you been Wade?

Yes, nearly new M35 for $2500. It's probably listed as in Oswego. That's the one. The military winch just isn't going to work well. If I have to dump half the cost or more into a home made one and only get half the convenience and versatility then it's probably better money spend on getting a real one...

I've been good. Just started the outage so working 12 hr nights for the next 19 days.

The ground is starting to thaw. You going to get another load out?

XP_Slinger · Mar 19, 2019

Marshy said:
Yes, nearly new M35 for $2500. It's probably listed as in Oswego. That's the one. The military winch just isn't going to work well. If I have to dump half the cost or more into a home made one and only get half the convenience and versatility then it's probably better money spend on getting a real one...

I've been good. Just started the outage so working 12 hr nights for the next 19 days.

The ground is starting to thaw. You going to get another load out?

Don’t blame you for giving up on a homemade winch. Like you said Chances are you wouldn’t have been as happy with it. That’s a good buy on that 35M

Load #3 is on the landing ready for pick up. Went on a blitz to get them out before the yard was too soft. Only took me 2 days but I didn’t beat the thaw. May not be completely full, only a couple big trees in this pile. 10 more logs and it would be stuffed full...oh well. I’ll pick it back up when things dry out.

ajschainsaws · Apr 24, 2019

Going to have a play with this one any tips @XP_Slinger @Marshy @hseII

hseII · Apr 24, 2019

ajschainsaws said:
Going to have a play with this one any tips @XP_Slinger @Marshy @hseII

What Did you get?

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ajschainsaws · Apr 24, 2019

hseII said:
What Did you get?

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I couldn’t load any photos a little uniforest

hseII · Apr 24, 2019

ajschainsaws said:
Going to have a play with this one any tips @XP_Slinger @Marshy @hseII

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I see it now.

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XP_Slinger · Apr 24, 2019

ajschainsaws said:
Going to have a play with this one any tips @XP_Slinger @Marshy @hseII

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Nice AJ! What size tractor will you be mounting it on? Did it come with the screen for on top?

Don’t pull to far from straight, it will wrench on your 3-point hard and it’s possible to flip the tractor if pulling to far from center line.

Never pull the brake rope (red) while the clutch is engaged and you’re in hauling (black). Not sure why that is but my manual says never do that. The brake should be automatically engaged when you release the clutch rope which allows you to tow your logs on the cable without having to rehook your chokers to your winch skid.

If the 35M is the same as my 45M you’ll want 5/16 choker chains, 3/8 wont fit the grooves on your cable brackets or the ones on the skid for storing them.

Make sure you disengage the PTO before lifting. No brainer but worth mentioning.

Before heading out into the woods, pull out all the cable and do a full length hard pull to coil the cable tightly on the drum. I usually do this at the end of the day also to make sure the cable doesn’t get bound on itself. Maybe overkill doing it daily, but my cable hasn’t tangled itself yet.

Would highly recommend investing in a self releasing snatch block. Worth their weight in gold and allows you to safely pull perpendicular to the direction the rear of the tractor is facing.

Lastly and most importantly...you’re going to love it and wish you bought one years ago

Marshy · Apr 24, 2019

ajschainsaws said:
Going to have a play with this one any tips @XP_Slinger @Marshy @hseII

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Nice toy! I only have about 20 hours with one. I dont know all the tricks with one. They are nice once you figure them out. The one I was working with was a pain to get into free spool. Dont know if that was operator error or the way the mechanism was set up. After a few hours of use I got it down pat.

If you haven't got any blocks to redirect then I highly recommend you get 2. A couple rigging slings and some shackles will allow you to set the blocks anywhere you like.

hseII · Apr 24, 2019

Marshy said:
Nice toy! I only have about 20 hours with one. I dont know all the tricks with one. They are nice once you figure them out. The one I was working with was a pain to get into free spool. Dont know if that was operator error or the way the mechanism was set up. After a few hours of use I got it down pat.

If you haven't got any blocks to redirect then I highly recommend you get 2. A couple rigging slings and some shackles will allow you to set the blocks anywhere you like.

I wonder who’s tried one of these?

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/192893796213

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Marshy · Apr 24, 2019

hseII said:
I wonder who’s tried one of these?

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/192893796213

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Man, you dont realize how useful something like that is unless you have done it without. I have not used one but let me tell you, if it was my winch that I was operating I would have two of those. The amount of walking you do back and forth checking the log to figure out when to release from a block can be daunting. Especially when tmyou have the winch line out 200' and around 2 corners.

One thing I will add for your consideration @ajschainsaws, is that you can winch a lot larger load then you can pull or drag with your tractor, especially in the 30-40 hp range.

hseII · Apr 24, 2019

Marshy said:
Man, you dont realize how useful something like that is unless you have done it without. I have not used one but let me tell you, if it was my winch that I was operating I would have two of those. The amount of walking you do back and forth checking the log to figure out when to release from a block can be daunting. Especially when tmyou have the winch line out 200' and around 2 corners.

One thing I will add for your consideration @ajschainsaws, is that you can winch a lot larger load then you can pull or drag with your tractor, especially in the 30-40 hp range.

I’ve done a lot of Rigger Rigging in my time Mista.

I can’t help but believe those would be the sweetest.

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Dub11 · Apr 24, 2019

hseII said:
I wonder who’s tried one of these?

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/192893796213

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The video looks pretty slick.

hseII · Apr 24, 2019

Dub11 said:
The video looks pretty slick.

I wish there were some videos with actual logs & not just the limbs of a few small trees.

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