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concretegrazer · Feb 22, 2017

When/will we see the rise of gas tractors again?

cobey · Feb 22, 2017

concretegrazer said:
When/will we see the rise of gas tractors again?

H and m tractors are out there.
And them nice green ones I know nothing about

My family's equipment is all worn
Out the newest tractor is a 400 Ih .
We use a deisel Minneapolis for a while.
I would guess deisel tractors last longer?

Hedgerow · Feb 22, 2017

concretegrazer said:
When/will we see the rise of gas tractors again?

Probably never. I'm thinking risk of fire and the extremely dirty and hot conditions would be a weighing factor.
Not to mention fuel economy.

MG2186 · Feb 22, 2017

Workshop said:
I agree with Kenneth.
Now, don't get me wrong, I like diesels. Always have. Although I have never owned one there is a deffinet place for their use and there are ones who need the serious pulling power of one. I wouldn't mind having one but in all practicality it would be money ill spent on my part. I don't have anything big enough to pull to justify buying one. The biggest reason, though, that I don't have one is that when they break they get expensive fast. Ive been reading a lot of posts here about all the stuff that is done to them to get a lot more power and reliability out of them. But for my needs a 302 or a 351 will do what I want and work fine. A 460 would be better and I can work on those. I can't work on a diesel so I would be at the mercy of a repair shop. And that is something I just can't do.
I don't say this to make others angry at me. I enjoy reading and listening and asking questions to those that run diesels. That's how I learn and, maybe, just maybe, when I've learned enough I'll go buy one.

Too bad some diesel owners didn't have your perspective! There are way to many people/kids that have diesel pickups that don't deserve them! But it's there money so whatever I guess. You won't believe how many are around that have never pulled a trailer

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Hedgerow · Feb 22, 2017

This actually got me to thinking...

Why couldn't someone build a ~70HP inline 4 cylinder gas motor for a utility tractor with fuel injection?

MG2186 · Feb 22, 2017

They could! A better ? Is why they don't

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Homelite410 · Feb 22, 2017

MG2186 said:
Too bad some diesel owners didn't have your perspective! There are way to many people/kids that have diesel pickups that don't deserve them! But it's there money so whatever I guess. You won't believe how many are around that have never pulled a trailer

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On that note, why can't we have a fuel pincher small truck diesel, like the ones in the 80's that got good mileage and good reliability. But then again it'd still be 35,000.00 and unable to get a manual transmission...

Hinerman · Feb 22, 2017

MG2186 said:
Too bad some diesel owners didn't have your perspective! There are way to many people/kids that have diesel pickups that don't deserve them! But it's there money so whatever I guess. You won't believe how many are around that have never pulled a trailer

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IMO, more power and better fuel mileage is why people buy them whether they pull anything, or not, or pull only once in awhile. The new eco diesel from Dodge is boasting 25+ mpg. Older and newer diesels can be tuned to get close to that also. I used to avg about 13-14mpg from my Tundra and 8mpg towing my RV.

Hinerman · Feb 22, 2017

Homelite410 said:
On that note, why can't we have a fuel pincher small truck diesel, like the ones in the 80's that got good mileage and good reliability. But then again it'd still be 35,000.00 and unable to get a manual transmission...

Exactly, aren't small diesel cars and trucks much more available over seas. The price of all new vehicles is mind boggling in my opinion.

Workshop · Feb 22, 2017

Hedgerow said:
Probably never. I'm thinking risk of fire and the extremely dirty and hot conditions would be a weighing factor.
Not to mention fuel economy.

Homelite410 said:
On that note, why can't we have a fuel pincher small truck diesel, like the ones in the 80's that got good mileage and good reliability. But then again it'd still be 35,000.00 and unable to get a manual transmission...

Hearsay has it the Ford Ranger is coming back in 2019ish. Supposed to have a diesel option. Also read where F150's will have a V6 diesel available next year.

Hedgerow · Feb 22, 2017

MG2186 said:
They could! A better ? Is why they don't

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Man, I don't know.
But in a honda, toyota, chevy et all, you can get 150 hp out of a 2.2 liter, 4 cylinder motor. It can run @ 2000 rpm on less than 2 gal of fuel per hour, and have a service life of up to 6000 hours or more..
Quiet, starts in the cold well.

MG2186 · Feb 22, 2017

Hedgerow said:
Man, I don't know.
But in a honda, toyota, chevy et all, you can get 150 hp out of a 2.2 liter, 4 cylinder motor. It can run @ 2000 rpm on less than 2 gal of fuel per hour, and have a service life of up to 6000 hours or more..
Quiet, starts in the cold well.

I agree completely!

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Hedgerow · Feb 22, 2017

MG2186 said:
I agree completely!

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You know..
Not for the big heavy's or combines.
Just utility tractors.

MG2186 · Feb 22, 2017

Hedgerow said:
You know..
Not for the big heavy's or combines.
Just utility tractors.

Yup, a utility type loader tractor. I know just what your referring to. I think a lot of acreage people would love that

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Workshop · Feb 22, 2017

Hinerman said:
Exactly, aren't small diesel cars and trucks much more available over seas. The price of all new vehicles is mind boggling in my opinion.

My understanding is Europe is geared toward diesel. Has been for a long time. Vast majority is diesel powered. Whereas the U.S. Is geared for gasoline.
I read years ago the American public doesn't like Diesel engines because of vibration/shudder/noise. However those problems have been eliminated.

sunfish · Feb 22, 2017

Another one on the way. Couldn't help myself.

Hedgerow · Feb 22, 2017

Workshop said:
My understanding is Europe is geared toward diesel. Has been for a long time. Vast majority is diesel powered. Whereas the U.S. Is geared for gasoline.
I read years ago the American public doesn't like Diesel engines because of vibration/shudder/noise. However those problems have been eliminated.

In Europe, fuel probably costs double what it does here. So a 25% increase in economy adds up to bigger savings.

MG2186 · Feb 22, 2017

Hedgerow said:
In Europe, fuel probably costs double what it does here. So a 25% increase in economy adds up to bigger savings.

And their emission standards are a lot more forgiving!

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concretegrazer · Feb 22, 2017

Hedgerow said:
You know..
Not for the big heavy's or combines.
Just utility tractors.

MG2186 said:
Yup, a utility type loader tractor. I know just what your referring to. I think a lot of acreage people would love that

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One on a scut/cut with a hydro that needs the rpm would be ideal.

stihl livin · Feb 22, 2017

MG2186 said:
Too bad some diesel owners didn't have your perspective! There are way to many people/kids that have diesel pickups that don't deserve them! But it's there money so whatever I guess. You won't believe how many are around that have never pulled a trailer

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Are you spying on me again. I have owned 3 diesels and wouldn't go back to gas. I don't pull very often but when I do I pull an open aluminum utility trailer or my aluminum enclosed 2 place snowmobile trailer. I did work it good a couple weeks ago pulling a dump trailer hauling logs for a friend. After pulling with my wife's gas vehicle I can't stand the constant shifting. I prefer to set the cruise and let the turbo do the work.

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