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hello everyone, first post here, i have a new 461 that the wife got me for, giving her twins :2guns:LoL. this saw is a pain to start. if i put it in full choke till she pops, i have to put it in the run position, hold the throttle to get it to start.:( if i go threw the normal procedure to start a saw it floods. what could the hub bub be?
 

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WELCOME to the Forum!
Not sure where in PA you are, but there are some very good and knowledgeable members in PA that could help you out and help you make it go faster!
Could be fuel, carb could need a kit. Is the saw new, used? Did you pull the muffler and check the piston? Lots of questions to be answered in order to help diagnose the issue.
 

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What are you considering the normal start routine? Are you using the decomp? Like other guys have said, is it new and what are the carb settings? I have had a few saws that were on the edge for starting with a decomp, if I used it they wouldn’t start easily and they had 150-160psi compression
 

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what have you tried tuning wise ?
As in where are your carb settings? Specifically the Low Speed adjustment needle ?
also check the metering height on carb ?
YES, i put a dual port muf and a max air flow filter on her. they have it tuned rich from the dealer, cuz that is what stihl recommends for the 3 tank break in. i guess
 

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What are you considering the normal start routine? Are you using the decomp? Like other guys have said, is it new and what are the carb settings? I have had a few saws that were on the edge for starting with a decomp, if I used it they wouldn’t start easily and they had 150-160psi compression
yes brand new. my starting procedure, 1) push in decomp, 2) put in full choke, 3) pull cord 2x(it will pop) 4) move to half choke and it floods
 

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Not sure where in PA you are, but there are some very good and knowledgeable members in PA that could help you out and help you make it go faster!
Could be fuel, carb could need a kit. Is the saw new, used? Did you pull the muffler and check the piston? Lots of questions to be answered in order to help diagnose the issue.
north east Pa. 2hrs east of Erie Pa.
yes brand new saw. i know the dealer tuned it rich for the break in period, i did put a dual port muf and max air flow filter on it. and unburnt fuel is coming out the muffler. didnt know if this saw has carb limiters on it?
 

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Do you have access to a tach? Check the idle rpm.

Maybe next time try just 1 pull while on choke??? Then move it to fast idle.
 

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You really only need the H tuned rich, not the L.
Maybe go back to the 1 and 1 preset and retune?

Angelo, you're on your A Game bud!
 

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north east Pa. 2hrs east of Erie Pa.
yes brand new saw. i know the dealer tuned it rich for the break in period, i did put a dual port muf and max air flow filter on it. and unburnt fuel is coming out the muffler. didnt know if this saw has carb limiters on it?

2 hrs east of Erie - Mckean or Potter county? I may be taking a trip out that way for work in the near future. I work in Liberty, which is right off of Rt. 15.
 

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Hi and welcome.

Generally, making any changes to the exhaust and intake, will require a re-tune of the carb on almost all saws. When you say tuned rich for the break-in, was that before or after the mods? If it was before, you need to get your needles set right. More than likely, the L screw is a little off for the mods.

This is a decent vid to show where to start on the adjustments for a saw, given all other parts are up to par. Since the saw is new, I'm guessing it's all you need.

 

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what have you tried tuning wise ?
As in where are your carb settings? Specifically the Low Speed adjustment needle ?
also check the metering height on carb ?
i messed with the low speed, turned it in , out then back to what sounded good by ear. not sure what you mean by metering height on carb?
 

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Do you have access to a tach? Check the idle rpm.

Maybe next time try just 1 pull while on choke??? Then move it to fast idle.
my tachs should be here soon. that saw should idle @ 2800 i think, have to double check
 
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